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Old 12-20-21, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by big john
So it's not based on an actual climb? What about Alpe du Zwift, is that based on the real Alpe?
Yeah. They claim it's a GPS-perfect replicate.
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UPS Tracking sez the Litespeed will be here next Tuesday. I'll have ground all my teeth down to nubs by then.
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Originally Posted by big john
So it's not based on an actual climb? What about Alpe du Zwift, is that based on the real Alpe?
The radio tower is like climbing a wall though. Alpe is near perfect
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HA!

I saw an interesting thing on the tame foxes that Russian scientist made - he bred the least wary/most human-oriented ones for several generations. Turns out that a domesticated fox is not like a dog. Because foxes are more solitary animals than wolves, they don't bond to humans like the wolf-derived dog. They don't especially want to cuddle, for example.
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HA!

I saw an interesting thing on the tame foxes that Russian scientist made - he bred the least wary/most human-oriented ones for several generations. Turns out that a domesticated fox is not like a dog. Because foxes are more solitary animals than wolves, they don't bond to humans like the wolf-derived dog. They don't especially want to cuddle, for example.
We have rabbits living under our deck, he usually gets one every other week or so.

The sound is blood curdling.
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it's slower

you can start the letter in the wrong place
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Old 12-20-21, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Yeah. They claim it's a GPS-perfect replicate.
Originally Posted by phrantic09
The radio tower is like climbing a wall though. Alpe is near perfect
Anyone here climb the actual Alpe du Huez? People who have told me it's not that hard and there are harder climbs in Southern California.
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Anyone here climb the actual Alpe du Huez? People who have told me it's not that hard and there are harder climbs in Southern California.
Allegedly Whiteface is almost the same thing so datlas may be able to tell you.

Devil’s Kitchen in the Catskills is ridiculously difficult, like fall off the back of your bike steep.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
Allegedly Whiteface is almost the same thing so datlas may be able to tell you.

Devil’s Kitchen in the Catskills is ridiculously difficult, like fall off the back of your bike steep.
Raul Alcala said of another rider "He was coooked in the Keetchen".
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Originally Posted by big john
Anyone here climb the actual Alpe du Huez? People who have told me it's not that hard and there are harder climbs in Southern California.
7.6 miles of 8.5% average grade. ~3400 feet of climbing. So, like doing Kings Mountain, then doing Kings Mountain.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
It's a mystery how any critters can survive in such a hostile land.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
It's a mystery how any critters can survive in such a hostile land.
A Mr. Darwin might have some ideas.
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Originally Posted by big john
Raul Alcala said of another rider "He was coooked in the Keetchen".
My wife and I went to the Catskills for our anniversary and stopped in Woodstock for lunch. We accidentally found our way driving up it to get to our hotel and I was amazed by the grade and the views.

Im going back to climb it next summer if I can.
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My ride yesterday featured 5’ per mile of elevation. Brutal.
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What about 26?
Oooh, I thought I was working 26th, but nope, more

Then I have the 29th and the 1st off. Not so
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My ride yesterday featured 5’ per mile of elevation. Brutal.
That's less than the office park.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
Allegedly Whiteface is almost the same thing so datlas may be able to tell you.

Devil’s Kitchen in the Catskills is ridiculously difficult, like fall off the back of your bike steep.
I love me some good climbs, but if >15%, I will pass. I recall trying to go up Smuggler’s Notch (in Stowe, Vt) a few years ago from the south, and it had to be 20% or more, I came to damn near a full stop and had to turn around in defeat.
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I love me some good climbs, but if >15%, I will pass. I recall trying to go up Smuggler’s Notch (in Stowe, Vt) a few years ago from the south, and it had to be 20% or more, I came to damn near a full stop and had to turn around in defeat.
Theres a few climbs on both sides of the Mohawk River that exceed 20% for spots. On the other side of the Hudson from me you start getting some really good climbs as well.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I love me some good climbs, but if >15%, I will pass. I recall trying to go up Smuggler’s Notch (in Stowe, Vt) a few years ago from the south, and it had to be 20% or more, I came to damn near a full stop and had to turn around in defeat.
This one was a doozy! Only a short section was hike-a-bike with MTB gearing. Coming down it on this bike made me want disc breaks.

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Originally Posted by datlas
I love me some good climbs, but if >15%, I will pass. I recall trying to go up Smuggler’s Notch (in Stowe, Vt) a few years ago from the south, and it had to be 20% or more, I came to damn near a full stop and had to turn around in defeat.
There are a couple switchbacks around here, where if you take the inside line you'll be doing 20%. They're also blind, so you con only go so far to the left without risking disaster.
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I’d like to believe I could handle it. I’ve managed to stay upright through a lot of stuff, including clipping a pedal into the pavement at 30 going around a corner. Being in the pack makes me nervous though because I don’t trust other people.
Sure you could! It didn’t scare me that much back then, but I preferred road races and actually never rode a sanctioned crit, just club stuff. These days, I am very cautious and occasionally wonder wtf I’m doing riding in groups at all. It helps to know everyone.
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