Is this PX10 or PY10 peugeot ???
10-13-11, 06:43 AM
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Is this PX10 or PY10 peugeot ???
I spent half a day looking on the web catalogs etc, still not sure what exactly i brought ? It seems to me from what i found could be 75-79 px10 bike made for EU market by the time they did custom builds ??
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The "3 tubes renforcés" Reynolds sticker points out that it's not a PX10, probably a modified PS10. Main triangle is Reynolds, plus the fork.
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If it's 3 tubes (and no chrome stays in the 70's), it's neither a PX nor a PY
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I have difficulty seeing if the stays are chrome plated or not. If not, forget the PX10 thing, for sure. The Peugeot PX10 had chrome plated stays and fork ends.
My guess would be that the bicycle is not a PX anything, but more of a middle of the line offering, and probably a PR10.
I found one of these at the Dump a few years ago but it was too big for me. Had some neat parts on it, though, and it was older than the OP's bike.
My guess would be that the bicycle is not a PX anything, but more of a middle of the line offering, and probably a PR10.
I found one of these at the Dump a few years ago but it was too big for me. Had some neat parts on it, though, and it was older than the OP's bike.
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10-13-11, 09:13 AM
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I cant guess ismine it PX or PY? But This one has the same decals and its an PY10 prestige which is opposite from what you wrote.??
10-13-11, 10:06 AM
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Randy,
here are the pics:
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2049.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2050.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2013.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2043.jpg
here are the pics:
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2049.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2050.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2013.jpg
https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCI2043.jpg
I have difficulty seeing if the stays are chrome plated or not. If not, forget the PX10 thing, for sure. The Peugeot PX10 had chrome plated stays and fork ends.
My guess would be that the bicycle is not a PX anything, but more of a middle of the line offering, and probably a PR10.
I found one of these at the Dump a few years ago but it was too big for me. Had some neat parts on it, though, and it was older than the OP's bike.
My guess would be that the bicycle is not a PX anything, but more of a middle of the line offering, and probably a PR10.
I found one of these at the Dump a few years ago but it was too big for me. Had some neat parts on it, though, and it was older than the OP's bike.
10-13-11, 10:19 AM
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This is the same frame as mine bike regarding decals, chromed forks, stays, fork crowns...
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Q9OHLA5zjk...ofessional.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Q9OHLA5zjk...ofessional.jpg
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I cant guess ismine it PX or PY? But This one has the same decals and its an PY10 prestige which is opposite from what you wrote.??
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10-13-11, 10:31 AM
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Something from the web:
Many PX-10E owners who call up this site may be in for a surprise. The more research we do, the more we find that many PX-10's...... aren't. Simply among the PX-10 variants are the PX-10E, PX-10LE, PXN10LE, PX-10S, PX-10DU, PXN-10, and even simply the PX model. Other bicycles Peugeot built with Reynolds 531 double-butted tubing throughout include the PY-10E, the PY-10CP (also available in 753 tubing), the PRO-10, the PY-10S, the CFX-10 (frameset only), the PZ-10D, the Chorus, the Sante, and the late models of the Deauville. Adding to the confusion were those bikes built partially of 531 or Vitus double-butted tubing or painted in such a fashion as to closely resemble higher-ranking bicycles. This list would include the P-10A, the PR-10L, the PKN-10 series, and the PGN10.Finally, there were a number of internally-lugged and brazed Peugeots built of Reynolds 501, a chrome-moly rather than moly-manganese alloy. Specifications vary considerably, and sorting out which Peugeot is which can be difficult. Dating bikes built between 1967 and 1978 or so is particularly interesting. During those years, the absence of model designation markings forces one to use other data to determine whether one has a PX-10E, a PX-10LE, a PY-10E, etc. By 1978, or thereabouts, model designations on the top tube aid in determining the model.
Many PX-10E owners who call up this site may be in for a surprise. The more research we do, the more we find that many PX-10's...... aren't. Simply among the PX-10 variants are the PX-10E, PX-10LE, PXN10LE, PX-10S, PX-10DU, PXN-10, and even simply the PX model. Other bicycles Peugeot built with Reynolds 531 double-butted tubing throughout include the PY-10E, the PY-10CP (also available in 753 tubing), the PRO-10, the PY-10S, the CFX-10 (frameset only), the PZ-10D, the Chorus, the Sante, and the late models of the Deauville. Adding to the confusion were those bikes built partially of 531 or Vitus double-butted tubing or painted in such a fashion as to closely resemble higher-ranking bicycles. This list would include the P-10A, the PR-10L, the PKN-10 series, and the PGN10.Finally, there were a number of internally-lugged and brazed Peugeots built of Reynolds 501, a chrome-moly rather than moly-manganese alloy. Specifications vary considerably, and sorting out which Peugeot is which can be difficult. Dating bikes built between 1967 and 1978 or so is particularly interesting. During those years, the absence of model designation markings forces one to use other data to determine whether one has a PX-10E, a PX-10LE, a PY-10E, etc. By 1978, or thereabouts, model designations on the top tube aid in determining the model.
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It's 3 main tubes (main decal) + the fork (fork decal). Your stays are not 531.
That doesn't make it a bad bike. My '72 Frejus has the 3 tubes butted decal, too. Rides great.
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There's a PS10 posted in another thread. It's a model that I've never seen before that falls between the PR and the PX. The main tubes only are Reynolds 531 like a PR, but it has the PX's Reynolds 531 fork.
I don't think we're going to convince the OP. His mind is made up. He's convinced that he has a PX or PY and doesn't want to hear otherwise.
I don't think we're going to convince the OP. His mind is made up. He's convinced that he has a PX or PY and doesn't want to hear otherwise.
10-13-11, 12:20 PM
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Guys,I don't have PX10 issue. I was just little confused regarding components and i saw similar frame /bike pics on the web that made me think about px10.
That's why i asked here for your opinion. I have read everything regarding diagonal 531 decals , simplex logo dropout markings, lugs, etc...And i know what throughout means, but didn't know how to figure out regarding stays otherwise than chrome and decals which are not there?
I was wondering which model could it be if not PX or PY? Nothing else.
If someone find which model could it be will appreciate.
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There's a PS10 posted in another thread. It's a model that I've never seen before that falls between the PR and the PX. The main tubes only are Reynolds 531 like a PR, but it has the PX's Reynolds 531 fork.
I don't think we're going to convince the OP. His mind is made up. He's convinced that he has a PX or PY and doesn't want to hear otherwise.
I don't think we're going to convince the OP. His mind is made up. He's convinced that he has a PX or PY and doesn't want to hear otherwise.
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10-13-11, 12:26 PM
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Thanks Ex,
i realized that. Any clue which model could it be??
Ps.
mine Bridgestone Diamond Road is CroMo not manganese molybdenum. It's great bike too. I
i realized that. Any clue which model could it be??
Ps.
mine Bridgestone Diamond Road is CroMo not manganese molybdenum. It's great bike too. I
This is your key word. On PX and PY it's 531 throughout. Yours, according to the decal shown, is not.
It's 3 main tubes (main decal) + the fork (fork decal). Your stays are not 531.
That doesn't make it a bad bike. My '72 Frejus has the 3 tubes butted decal, too. Rides great.
It's 3 main tubes (main decal) + the fork (fork decal). Your stays are not 531.
That doesn't make it a bad bike. My '72 Frejus has the 3 tubes butted decal, too. Rides great.
10-13-11, 02:03 PM
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Decals at least are 77 and 78 from the retro peugeot site. Only states reynolds-nothing about 3 tubes. Still my guess is px10le. Nothing else resembles it in usa catalogs. Not export perhaps. Love the cranks/and the bell!
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All '70s PX10s are full Reynolds 531 frame and fork. Full 531 frames have a sticker with 531 printed diagonally. His Reynolds sticker has the 531 printed horizontally, so it can't be a PX10. It's really very simple.
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To me, too, this is a PX10 judging by fork-crown/forks stickers and the diameter of the seat stays which look quite "fat" to me.
16mm width at the top is the dimension for Reynolds seat-stays of PXs/PYs. Lesser Peugeot models have thinner (looking) seat-stays (PA, PR = 14 mm at the top of "gaspipe" seat-stays).
In my opinion you just have to check stays to know which model you got.
First I thought about P_60 touring model because of small front rack, but these had a forward-facing weld-on bracket for dynamo/generator (left seat-stay)
In my eyes clues to PX are:
- seat stay dimensions (if my eyes don't deceive me)
- type of rear drop-outs with adjusting screw !!
- Nervex 49/162 fork crown (with small central chrome bar on top, see: miamijims https://www.cyclespeugeot.com/PX10ID.html)
- SL 105 crank
- top-of-the-line maillard 700 high flange hubs (lower models: normandy comp.)
- mafac comp. brakes (lesser models: racer)
- chromed chain stays
Strange: braze-ons for bottle cage but not for shifters.
(quick release skewers are incorrectly closed on front wheel)
16mm width at the top is the dimension for Reynolds seat-stays of PXs/PYs. Lesser Peugeot models have thinner (looking) seat-stays (PA, PR = 14 mm at the top of "gaspipe" seat-stays).
In my opinion you just have to check stays to know which model you got.
First I thought about P_60 touring model because of small front rack, but these had a forward-facing weld-on bracket for dynamo/generator (left seat-stay)
In my eyes clues to PX are:
- seat stay dimensions (if my eyes don't deceive me)
- type of rear drop-outs with adjusting screw !!
- Nervex 49/162 fork crown (with small central chrome bar on top, see: miamijims https://www.cyclespeugeot.com/PX10ID.html)
- SL 105 crank
- top-of-the-line maillard 700 high flange hubs (lower models: normandy comp.)
- mafac comp. brakes (lesser models: racer)
- chromed chain stays
Strange: braze-ons for bottle cage but not for shifters.
(quick release skewers are incorrectly closed on front wheel)
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To me, too, this is a PX10 judging by fork-crown/forks stickers and the diameter of the seat stays which look quite "fat" to me.
16mm width at the top is the dimension for Reynolds seat-stays of PXs/PYs. Lesser Peugeot models have thinner (looking) seat-stays (PA, PR = 14 mm at the top of "gaspipe" seat-stays).
In my opinion you just have to check stays to know which model you got.
First I thought about P_60 touring model because of small front rack, but these had a forward-facing weld-on bracket for dynamo/generator (left seat-stay)
In my eyes clues to PX are:
- seat stay dimensions (if my eyes don't deceive me)
- type of rear drop-outs with adjusting screw !!
- Nervex 49/162 fork crown (with small central chrome bar on top, see: miamijims https://www.cyclespeugeot.com/PX10ID.html)
- SL 105 crank
- top-of-the-line maillard 700 high flange hubs (lower models: normandy comp.)
- mafac comp. brakes (lesser models: racer)
- chromed chain stays
Strange: braze-ons for bottle cage but not for shifters.
(quick release skewers are incorrectly closed on front wheel)
16mm width at the top is the dimension for Reynolds seat-stays of PXs/PYs. Lesser Peugeot models have thinner (looking) seat-stays (PA, PR = 14 mm at the top of "gaspipe" seat-stays).
In my opinion you just have to check stays to know which model you got.
First I thought about P_60 touring model because of small front rack, but these had a forward-facing weld-on bracket for dynamo/generator (left seat-stay)
In my eyes clues to PX are:
- seat stay dimensions (if my eyes don't deceive me)
- type of rear drop-outs with adjusting screw !!
- Nervex 49/162 fork crown (with small central chrome bar on top, see: miamijims https://www.cyclespeugeot.com/PX10ID.html)
- SL 105 crank
- top-of-the-line maillard 700 high flange hubs (lower models: normandy comp.)
- mafac comp. brakes (lesser models: racer)
- chromed chain stays
Strange: braze-ons for bottle cage but not for shifters.
(quick release skewers are incorrectly closed on front wheel)
This looks like a PX-10 to me, most probably with a wrong sticker (or did they really build it with lesser stays?). All the parts, and most of all the rear stays scream "I'm a PX!!". The PS-10 is definitely different - and I have never seen a silver one, the PS-10 came in gold.
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To me, too, this is a PX10 judging by fork-crown/forks stickers and the diameter of the seat stays which look quite "fat" to me.
10-14-11, 01:30 AM
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Bois,
i agree with you definetly. But what with all that px's & py's from the catalog which says "531frame and fork" ?
Its confusing little bit don't you think?
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i agree with you definetly. But what with all that px's & py's from the catalog which says "531frame and fork" ?
Its confusing little bit don't you think?
Regards
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Horizontal decals indicate 531 tubing used on the main 3 tubes (downtube, top tube, and seat tube) only. In place of the 531 stays, some manufacturers used high-tensile stay tubing and others used 4130. I believe Peugeot used the former; Grand Bois can clarify.
Is the decal puzzle easier to understand now?
For the record, the PY's have diagonal 531 decals with red lettering, indicating 531 Special Lightweight (531SL). This was only used on the PY's:
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