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12-12-22, 12:31 AM
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thanks for sharing
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- I have yet to come across one of these here. Aren't they kinda awkward to make work? Really curious.
12-12-22, 10:22 AM
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But luckily we have top pull front derailers now. Sooooo much better!
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12-12-22, 11:04 AM
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12-12-22, 01:48 PM
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You're going to have the same issue I had with my Hard Rock. At some point the brake cable cuts a groove into those metal cable guides and get bound up. Then the calipers don't release. Super fun problem to solve.
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12-12-22, 01:55 PM
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I have something like that on my Rockhopper (likely the same as your HR). I stuck a short piece of housing liner in the fitting. Seems to be working well; the cable movement is noticeably smoother.
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12-12-22, 02:04 PM
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Dang, liner didn't work for me. The groove was already too deep and the cable would still just pinch in the slot. I wound up dremeling out half of the cable stop and creating a new path for the cable.
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12-12-22, 03:42 PM
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12-12-22, 04:12 PM
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Well, it darn sure ain't worse. Less weight, less complexity, one fewer cable and requisite housing(s), one less thing to adjust and maintain, less overlap in gearing, seamless changes through the gears, etc.
Of all the 'improvements' and changes in standards the bike industry creates at the expense of the consumer, the 1x drivetrain is one of the few I can get behind.
YMMV.
Of all the 'improvements' and changes in standards the bike industry creates at the expense of the consumer, the 1x drivetrain is one of the few I can get behind.
YMMV.
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12-12-22, 05:48 PM
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The angle that top pull derailer cables goes off at, away from the seat tube, always bothers me.
12-12-22, 06:34 PM
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12-12-22, 06:37 PM
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and the shorter the seat tube - the more severe the angle will be
12-12-22, 06:50 PM
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Use V Brakes. You'd have to run full length housing but V Brakes use the noodle for the stop. They'll fit right on cantilever mounts too..
12-12-22, 06:55 PM
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Agreed. I’ve had a few bikes with them and they’ve always worked well. How cool is a 3DV pulley down low on the seat tube where no one expects it?
12-12-22, 07:38 PM
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seems to work well - no issue on this similar PDG70
( equipped with this from the factory )
I will need to find this stuff ... not sure what the technical name is ... housing liner ... ? cable liner ? ...
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12-12-22, 09:21 PM
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I don’t find the front derailer to be all that difficult to adjust nor maintain. Once set, there is very little need for adjustment. I’ll gladly trade a little weight and complexity so that I don’t have to coast.
YMMV.
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12-12-22, 09:25 PM
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You usually can’t mix the two. A top pull front derailer has the cable guides running along the top tube while a bottom pull has cable guides running along the downtube. It’s difficult to change from one to the other.
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12-12-22, 11:54 PM
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Less range is their major fault. Choose a good high gear or a good low gear…you can’t have both. A 10-52 cassette will give a 520% gear range. I have bikes with a 720% gear range which means I can ride with really low gears and still not spin out on the high end. I have one bike with an 800% gear range. That’s a 13” low and a 110” high. A 10-52 can have that low a gear but has a 72” high which means you coast over speeds of about 25 mph.
I don’t find the front derailer to be all that difficult to adjust nor maintain. Once set, there is very little need for adjustment. I’ll gladly trade a little weight and complexity so that I don’t have to coast.
Yes indeed.
I don’t find the front derailer to be all that difficult to adjust nor maintain. Once set, there is very little need for adjustment. I’ll gladly trade a little weight and complexity so that I don’t have to coast.
Yes indeed.
And while FD adjustment and maintenance may not be difficult for you, 0 is less than any.
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12-13-22, 01:57 AM
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I have actually fumbled a side pull to work with a bottom pull setup on my Rockhopper. Will try'n provide some pictures from my adventurous cable routing and edit them in.
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12-13-22, 10:02 AM
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Thank you. I've wasted too much of my life trying to explain this to the kid at the LBS who's never actually experienced a front derailleur. I like me some 3x9!
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12-13-22, 10:33 AM
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Horses for courses and all that.
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12-13-22, 11:54 AM
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While I am also a fan of ditching front derailluers and chain rings, one detail seemingly overlooked here is location. If I lived in Denver, Colorado a super low gear would be much more important to me than it is in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Ditto a higher gear... the elevation changes go both ways after all.
Horses for courses and all that.
Horses for courses and all that.
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