indyfabz

See 1.b:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetorical

indyfabz

Advocating a dangerous practice as gospel should be against forum rules.

LarrySellerz

Lights, varia, and even riding on the correct side of the double yellow are not as effective at keeping you safe from cars as some people think. They don't change the big picture that all it takes is a moment of inattention from the car to take a cyclist out.

Leinster

daytime riding without lights is not a dangerous practice. Yes there are data showing that daytime lights improve visibility, but that doesn’t render unlit cyclists invisible. If it was a major factor, then daytime lights would be mandatory for cars too.

Improving urban design, increased ridership, segregated bike facilities, taking the lane etc are all much better ways of avoiding bike/auto collisions. Ride so they can’t not see you.

1979schwinn 

I have been "DOORED" before, but bike and me was OK.
Also, was pushed off into a ditch. No contact / wind off a truck, but, was OK.
Another accident, I bounced off the hood of a car at a stop sign (his fault). I was clipped in and kept going.
I am lucky and have had no injuries. Good luck and watch out for cars and trucks

bruce19

This makes zero sense to me. I've been cycling for approx. 40 yrs and have never had an accident or even a close call. I chalk that up to having been a motorcyclist for over 50 yrs and learning to ride with those who don't see you. Make yourself visible is a good mantra.

phrantic09

Isn’t that in fact why all new cars are required to come equipped with daytime running lights?

LarrySellerz

bright lights on bicycles during the day are a nuisance, sucks being behind someone with a 1000 lumen blinker on a straight flat road. luckily they are almost always easy to pass

Velo Vol 

One time a car pulled out just as I was crossing the intersection. Clipped my back wheel (not hard enough to knock me over).

Guess I'm "lucky" in this regard, because this is hardly a bicycle-friendly area.

WhyFi

Pearls before swine, but...

That some things are beyond your control doesn't mean that you should neglect those that are easily within it.

njkayaker

Again, nothing keeps you from doing both.

You don't need a "1000 lumen blinker".

datlas 

Correct on both counts.

N2deep

The smart ones know when to yell BS and the dumb ones never will, intelligent post or not. Sadly, censorship on bike forms is seriously more dangerous than a stupid post, gone are the days when people were free to post their opinions.

bampilot06

You don’t really see the little flags anymore on bikes. They would bounce around all over the place, Kind of hard to miss.

datlas 

I am not sure I like where this thread is heading.

LarrySellerz

It’s easier to ride as if they can’t see you If they actually can’t see you. None of my coworkers had lights on their bikes.

tomato coupe

Ummmm ... the purpose of riding "like they can't see you" is NOT to lessen your visibility. You're bordering on complete lunacy here.

WhyFi

"Bordering"?

WhyFi

So it's fair to say that none of them were very bright?

datlas 

It's called diplomacy.

WhyFi

Not familiar.

njkayaker

Nonsense.

indyfabz

Posts advocating dangerous behavior have been deleted in the past and for good reason. There are newbs who come here to learn. Sometimes things some people try to teach are lunacy but may not be recognized as such by everyone. And as a “private” forum, the management is free to “censor” whatever it desires to. There are no freedom of speech rights in a 1st Amendment sense here.

phrantic09

Willing to bet they are less of a nuisance in the road than you appear to be.

BillyD

But they are visible, right? So isn't that the objective, to be more visible?

You must be thinking about some other scenario, no?