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Just did some fake miles. Since that's the only time I have a power meter, I have noticed something and it's probably "normal" but let me know....
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
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11-30-22, 10:50 AM
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Should be able to make it work, I have spd sl pedals, and a set of cleats you can borrow, otherwise you will have to bring your pedals too.
11-30-22, 11:55 AM
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But should 20-30 seconds at FTP feel like a match burn?
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11-30-22, 12:01 PM
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Have you tried Sweet Spot? Probably no puking, just a bit of teeth-gritting. Really makes the slight decrease for the lower power segments feel like a rest!
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11-30-22, 12:05 PM
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I was imagining him trying to ride with the seatpost all the way up, looking like Moocher on the Roadmaster bike in "Breaking Away", or this guy I saw the other week. I thought he was riding out of the saddle because his hips, back, and shoulders were working so hard. Then as I passed him I could tell he was ON the saddle but had to REACH on every pedal stroke. It must have been exhausting.
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11-30-22, 12:08 PM
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Just did some fake miles. Since that's the only time I have a power meter, I have noticed something and it's probably "normal" but let me know....
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
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11-30-22, 12:15 PM
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I am saying that 20-30 seconds of WELL OVER FTP (say 20-30% above FTP) is what does it to me. That is what feels like burning a match.
11-30-22, 12:23 PM
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That's a good question, but I feel comfortable inferring a match burn from the objectively evident fatigue it caused and, since, this is happening in a fit and healthy individual, I am comfortable inferring that this is "normal" in the usual sense of the word. Of course datlas could also be over-estimating his FTP, but stress responses vary, even among trained athletes, to the the physiological state corresponding to FTP.
11-30-22, 12:26 PM
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Ahhh...okay. Before you said "near/above my FTP". In that case, this is something that can be trained for improvement.
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11-30-22, 12:28 PM
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11-30-22, 12:35 PM
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Don't know if it matters, but FTP is based on a the highest effort level where lactate production and clearance are in equilibrium (LT2). At the dawn of the power era, Andrew Coggan coined the term FTP for a SWAG at a power level corresponding to that state, to use as a peg for training zones. The 60 min comes from the fact that this level was more or less what an elite rider needed to sustain in order to ride a competitive 40 km TT. In reality, the sustainable duration for LT2 (FTP) ranges from the 30s to 70 or better.
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Don't know if it matters, but FTP is based on a the highest effort level where lactate production and clearance are in equilibrium (LT2). At the dawn of the power era, Andrew Coggan coined the term FTP for SWAG at a power level corresponding to that state, to use as a peg for training zones. The 60 min comes from the fact that this level was more or less what an elite rider needed to sustain in order to ride a competitive 40 km TT. In reality, the sustainable duration for LT2 (FTP) ranges from the 30s to 70 or better.
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11-30-22, 12:58 PM
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11-30-22, 01:17 PM
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Just did some fake miles. Since that's the only time I have a power meter, I have noticed something and it's probably "normal" but let me know....
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
I estimate my FTP to be somewhere around 170W. I can toodle along indefinitely/easy at up to 140-ish W. But if I burn some matches and go near/above my FTP, even if just for say 20-30 seconds, I find it MUCH harder to drop back and maintain 140W like before the match was burnt. I feel like my cruise power goes from 140ish down to say 120ish.
Is that normal?
11-30-22, 01:21 PM
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Over/Unders should be more popular.
11-30-22, 01:33 PM
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Don't know if it matters, but FTP is based on a the highest effort level where lactate production and clearance are in equilibrium (LT2). At the dawn of the power era, Andrew Coggan coined the term FTP for a SWAG at a power level corresponding to that state, to use as a peg for training zones. The 60 min comes from the fact that this level was more or less what an elite rider needed to sustain in order to ride a competitive 40 km TT. In reality, the sustainable duration for LT2 (FTP) ranges from the 30s to 70 or better.
11-30-22, 01:38 PM
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11-30-22, 02:11 PM
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Well, power is more closely tied to effort and has no delay, but HR is gives a read on how you're responding, so they're both useful. I guess which one you use to pace steady state workouts depends on whether you'd rather know what you're doing or how you're responding to it. I tend to rely more on HR when I'm not feeling great. I don't have power on my commuting bike anyway.
11-30-22, 02:18 PM
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I guess it works, but my training stress doesn’t seem high enough
I look at HR in big efforts to see how I’m handling it typically but otherwise just use power. What’s odd for me is that cycling at 170-175 bpm feels far more taxing on my system then if I was running at the same. Like nearly puke inducing
Well, power is more closely tied to effort and has no delay, but HR is gives a read on how you're responding, so they're both useful. I guess which one you use to pace steady state workouts depends on whether you'd rather know what you're doing or how you're responding to it. I tend to rely more on HR when I'm not feeling great. I don't have power on my commuting bike anyway.
11-30-22, 02:25 PM
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Speaking of Wordle, one opinion I happen to agree with:
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11...ng-wordle.html
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11...ng-wordle.html
11-30-22, 02:29 PM
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The problem on Zwift is that it exaggerates the benefits of drafting, so in order to bridge a gap in the fake world I have to go up to say 120-140% of FTP to bridge a gap...and then once I get on with the group, I struggle to stay with them.
Long story short, it feels like the world of Zwift forces me to burn big matches while in the real world they are small matches or maybe even just little sparks.
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