Daniel4

It really shouldn't matter. In other cities around the world, they have made it the driver's responsibility and as a result deaths and collisions have dropped.

But let's say that you are correct. Let's remove all the pedestrians off the road. The average annual road deaths amongst motorists pre-pandemic is 15 per year ranging from 11 to 27. During lockdowns and work from home, in 2020 that dropped to 7 because less drivers on the road means less collisions with each other. In 2021, it's gone back up to 21. Do we dare guess how many road deaths would result if we remove all motor vehicles?

Again, take a look at those vintage videos of major cities in the 1910s

The case of Duncan Xu was that he was returning home from school. He took the normal route by walking through a pedestrian thoroughfare from one street to another. His neighbourhood is near a major intersection. Many impatient drivers by-pass the intersection by cutting through Duncan Xu's neighbourhood. One day, a driver did just that. He jumped the curb and killed Duncan Xu. Although Duncan Xu had done nothing wrong, the last I know, the city closed off the pedestrian path that all the students and their caregivers use. And as far as I know, nothing had been done to stop drivers from cutting through that neighbourhood.

And I can post links showing how many cars in Toronto actually do jump curbs damaging property and killing people inside.

Prepandemic I used to ride 18kms to get to where I go on Wednesday mornings. If I ride through park trails, it would take 1 hr and 15min, the same as taking public transit. If I ride in a direct route through traffic, it would take 1 hour sometimes less. Both routes are approximately the same distance. Are you going to say that the collisions per km are the same through the park trails as through the streets? The street has way more cars on the road and that's what makes it more dangerous than the park trail.

And finally, if any driver in a collision says " I didn't even see him" that has to be an admission of guilt because operating any other dangerous piece of machinery and not paying attention is negligence.

A driver's licence means you're taking on responsibility.

UniChris

Actually, many people from such places have said that those policies (which contradict typical internationally agreed legal principles) are largely irrelevant to road safety.

What actually matters is that those societies have chosen to take non-motorized transport seriously - including in all of the supporting ways that so often lack.

In contrast, in the US, lots of showy effort goes into things that don't really make getting around without a car that much easier - and at times may even make it less safe, in dangerously unobvious ways, for example 3-season bike paths that go the wrong way for their side of a roadway, or are mis-positioned outside turning lanes..

You are making it very clear that you are motivated by a pre-conceived agenda, when once your arguments about one situation prove contrary to the facts, you go an search up a completely different and entirely unrelated one in order to try to continue an argument.

Please, tell us how you you feel about trains that strike people who illegally cross the tracks? Sorry, train conductors (legally, the conductor is in charge)

livedarklions

Your guess is wrong--the fatalities shot up, so they instituted the segregation of pedestrians from the road and forced cars into lanes, instituted traffic control, and required signaling.. Prior to that, pedestrians, especially children were getting killed so fast they really couldn't keep up the count-- https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...roit/26312107/

Watch those videos on YouTube a bit closer--what you'll see is a series of close calls over and over. Getting off a streetcar in a crowded city street was, at best, a terrifying experience.

Daniel4

The fourth pedestrian to be killed and the driver released.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...eets-1.6357076

Daniel4

Fifth pedestrian death.
No need to state the cause of death.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...dies-1.6375018

Road deaths to date:
2 drivers
5 pedestrians
0 cyclists

livedarklions

Well, if you're going to turn this into a scoreboard, are cyclists winning or losing?