Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Your favorite road tubeless tires

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Your favorite road tubeless tires

Old 05-02-22, 07:34 AM
  #151  
kingston 
Jedi Master
 
kingston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lake Forest, IL
Posts: 3,711

Bikes: https://stinkston.blogspot.com/p/my-bikes.html

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1752 Post(s)
Liked 468 Times in 299 Posts
If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.
kingston is offline  
Old 05-02-22, 07:50 AM
  #152  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by kingston View Post
If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.
Stan's Darts seem big and more MTB focused, to me - I'm not surprised that they were tough to jam in.

A lot of people swear by the brass-tipped Dynaplugs; I've never used them myself, but I intend to pick some up this year.

I've only used the typical "bacon strips", but those might not want to stay put on a 25mm, assuming high-ish pressure. What I've done with bacon strips that worm out, because of the combination of puncture size and pressure, is to tie the strip in a knot and shove it in so that the knot is inside the carcass, helping to hold it in place. It can take a little elbow grease but, the only two times that I've had to do this, each lasted 2k+ miles/the remaining life of the tire.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-02-22, 10:21 AM
  #153  
PeteHski
Senior Member
 
PeteHski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3,534
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,787 Times in 1,137 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post

A lot of people swear by the brass-tipped Dynaplugs; I've never used them myself, but I intend to pick some up this year.
Dyanplugs are excellent. They are available with a few different tip profiles too. But the standard conical ones work well and would easily plug a 4 mm hole. Any hole too small to push a Dynaplug through easily would self-seal with sealant anyway. That's been my personal experience anyway.
PeteHski is offline  
Likes For PeteHski:
Old 05-03-22, 09:52 AM
  #154  
Miles2go
Zen Master
 
Miles2go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 999

Bikes: Cervelo R5 - SuperSix

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 89 Times in 42 Posts
Originally Posted by kingston View Post
If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.
Most of the reviews I've seen on Stans Darts mirror this experience, or turn out worse. I too carry Dynaplugs, though I haven't had to use one in the two years I've been riding with them. If I stop bringing them on rides, I'll no doubt end up needing them...so I carry the lightest racer version.
__________________
Ron - Tucson, AZ
Miles2go is offline  
Old 05-03-22, 12:32 PM
  #155  
kingston 
Jedi Master
 
kingston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lake Forest, IL
Posts: 3,711

Bikes: https://stinkston.blogspot.com/p/my-bikes.html

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1752 Post(s)
Liked 468 Times in 299 Posts
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.
kingston is offline  
Old 05-03-22, 01:48 PM
  #156  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.
Mighty nice of ya! If you do need to help someone out, make a point of having someone get a thumb on the puncture ASAP to hold in as much air as possible - it's easier to punch in a plug when there's pressure in the tire and it won't be as much work, if any, to top it off.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-03-22, 02:11 PM
  #157  
kingston 
Jedi Master
 
kingston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lake Forest, IL
Posts: 3,711

Bikes: https://stinkston.blogspot.com/p/my-bikes.html

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1752 Post(s)
Liked 468 Times in 299 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Mighty nice of ya!
Purely selfish motivation. Another 14g in my rando toolbag is nothing, and I'm the one who'll get stuck helping the new guy put a tube in a slimy tire. Eventually I'll get around to setting up a tubeless wheelset of my own so I'll need the plugs for myself anyway.
kingston is offline  
Likes For kingston:
Old 05-12-22, 05:48 PM
  #158  
Miles2go
Zen Master
 
Miles2go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 999

Bikes: Cervelo R5 - SuperSix

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 89 Times in 42 Posts
Liking the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tires, but I can tell you after a few hundred miles of A group style/speed riding, that they don't stay planted at the back, as well as the 5000TL did, during really hard braking. I rarely ever locked the back tire up with the Conti 5000TL, or Michelin Power (tubes) before going tubeless. It's not a deal breaker, but does have a lower threshold in that situation than what I came over to them from.
__________________
Ron - Tucson, AZ
Miles2go is offline  
Old 05-12-22, 06:32 PM
  #159  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by Miles2go View Post
Liking the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tires, but I can tell you after a few hundred miles of A group style/speed riding, that they don't stay planted at the back, as well as the 5000TL did, during really hard braking. I rarely ever locked the back tire up with the Conti 5000TL, or Michelin Power (tubes) before going tubeless. It's not a deal breaker, but does have a lower threshold in that situation than what I came over to them from.
Are you locking up the rear because they're being unweighted by the front braking? In the dry, the P-Zero Race are one of the grippiest tires I've ridden.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-13-22, 11:24 AM
  #160  
Sy Reene
Advocatus Diaboli
 
Sy Reene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 7,825

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4208 Post(s)
Liked 1,190 Times in 783 Posts
Originally Posted by Miles2go View Post
From that time, until just a few days ago, I only ran the Conti 5000TL. This tire served me very well, and a number of the stronger riders in our club use them. Unfortunately though, they are insanely difficult to mount on my wheels and it's this reason that I just switched to the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR.
The P Zero Race TLR is much more comfortable in the same size and at the same pressure. It also feels much more lively than the 5000TL.
!
Pirelli vs Conti -- same nominal size or same inflated size?
Sy Reene is offline  
Old 05-14-22, 01:36 PM
  #161  
Miles2go
Zen Master
 
Miles2go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 999

Bikes: Cervelo R5 - SuperSix

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 89 Times in 42 Posts
Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
Pirelli vs Conti -- same nominal size or same inflated size?
Same inflated size on my WTO 45s.
__________________
Ron - Tucson, AZ
Miles2go is offline  
Old 05-14-22, 01:45 PM
  #162  
Miles2go
Zen Master
 
Miles2go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 999

Bikes: Cervelo R5 - SuperSix

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 89 Times in 42 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Are you locking up the rear because they're being unweighted by the front braking? In the dry, the P-Zero Race are one of the grippiest tires I've ridden.
Wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't apples to apples. I went through 4 sets of 5000TLs on the same bike, same size tire, same pressures, same riding style and same routes. You've put a lot of time in riding the 5000TL?
Also, weather here in Tucson pretty consistently dry.
I still have plenty of confidence in the P Zero Race TLR, and descended 7,000 feet (ave 33.8/max 42.8), on them yesterday....but I now take more care braking the rear wheel compared to all the miles I put before with the Contis.
__________________
Ron - Tucson, AZ
Miles2go is offline  
Old 05-14-22, 02:03 PM
  #163  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by Miles2go View Post
Wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't apples to apples.
Apples-to-apple doesn't necessarily explain the "why?" Greater front traction could unload the rear which would make it more prone to breaking loose, which is why I was looking for clarification.

Originally Posted by Miles2go View Post
You've put a lot of time in riding the 5000TL?
Nope, none - they're not compatible with my wheels current wheels, they have a rep for being a pain in the ass to mount and I found that the GP4kSII was way overhyped, so I was never terribly interested in them in the first place.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-14-22, 05:23 PM
  #164  
KJ43
Dead but dreaming
 
KJ43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Bay Area, CA (Peninsula)
Posts: 337

Bikes: 2020 Santa Cruz Stigmata, 2022 Cannondale Synapse

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 125 Post(s)
Liked 248 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.
Yup. I like the idea of the Dart, but in practice I haven't found it to really...work. The one time I got a fairly large puncture on my road tire I figured the dart would be perfect. I tried twice and both times the plug material broke off outside the tire even after reaming the hole. I tried pushing the plug material in with the barb from another tubeless patch kit I had but since the plug is so delicate it just kept tearing and I eventually just used regular bacon strips on that ride.

I got a hole in my tire today and I used a normal conical dynaplug which worked perfectly and got me home.
KJ43 is offline  
Old 05-15-22, 09:25 AM
  #165  
NoWhammies
Senior Member
 
NoWhammies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 1,758

Bikes: Argon 18 Gallium, BH G7, Rocky Mountain Instinct C70

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 722 Post(s)
Liked 383 Times in 236 Posts
Just mounted a 28mm Michelin Power Road TLR on my rear wheel yesterday. Tyre mounted easier than I thought it would after reading some of the posts here on the forum. Still, I did grunt and groan a few times before finally getting the bead of the tyre onto the rim. The tyre seated 80% or so with a blast of air from the air canister attached to my pump. The remaining 20% of the tyre had to be seated with a combination of a) Orange Seal and b) pumping up the tyre with the floor pump.

I only managed a 30k ride (thank you rain showers!) but over first impressions are the tyre seemed nice. If the weather cooperates I plan on getting in a longer ride this week.
NoWhammies is offline  
Old 05-24-22, 08:33 AM
  #166  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
I just caught wind of Michelin's new Power Cup TLRs, which are supposed to be their fastest tires (and possibly the fastest on the market). The Power Road TLRs are a great tire, so this has my interest piqued. Quick - someone buy them and report back!
WhyFi is offline  
Likes For WhyFi:
Old 05-26-22, 07:03 AM
  #167  
robbyville
Senior Member
 
robbyville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Palm Desert, CA
Posts: 2,448

Bikes: Speedvagen Steel

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 406 Post(s)
Liked 203 Times in 138 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I just caught wind of Michelin's new Power Cup TLRs, which are supposed to be their fastest tires (and possibly the fastest on the market). The Power Road TLRs are a great tire, so this has my interest piqued. Quick - someone buy them and report back!
im about to pull the trigger on something and am willing to give them a try! Have you seen them anywhere?
robbyville is offline  
Old 05-26-22, 07:11 AM
  #168  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by robbyville View Post
im about to pull the trigger on something and am willing to give them a try! Have you seen them anywhere?
I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-29-22, 05:09 PM
  #169  
robbyville
Senior Member
 
robbyville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Palm Desert, CA
Posts: 2,448

Bikes: Speedvagen Steel

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 406 Post(s)
Liked 203 Times in 138 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.
yeah not finding them anywhere other than that Bikeinn place with way to many spelling or grammatical errors to make them even mildly trustable lol.

My friend who owns local LBE mentioned that there’s a new Vitoria (not the really poor lasting corsa) coming out that shows promise
robbyville is offline  
Likes For robbyville:
Old 05-29-22, 05:29 PM
  #170  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by robbyville View Post
My friend who owns local LBE mentioned that there’s a new Vitoria (not the really poor lasting corsa) coming out that shows promise
Very cool - they're the last major tire player without a road offering that's ETRTO hookless compliant, so they're due (and I'm interested ).
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-30-22, 04:04 AM
  #171  
phrantic09
Fat n slow
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Saratoga, NY
Posts: 2,986

Bikes: Cervelo R3, Giant Revolt

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2240 Post(s)
Liked 1,319 Times in 625 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.
I’ve bought stuff there, couple of weeks to get your stuff stateside but good deals
phrantic09 is offline  
Likes For phrantic09:
Old 05-30-22, 10:32 AM
  #172  
Trsnrtr
Super Moderator
 
Trsnrtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 21,216

Bikes: Giant Propel, Colnago V3, Co-Motion Supremo, ICE VTX, ICE VTX WC

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9249 Post(s)
Liked 2,688 Times in 1,300 Posts
I have used Schwalbe Pro ones the most the last few years and been happy. Probably won't switch in the near future.

I just installed a 700-28 Pro One TLE on a Campy Bora WTO rim with bare hands and seated it with a floor pump. Didn't even have to use a compressor. After the tire "rests' for awhile, I'll put the sealant in.

TL tires have come a long way since my first attempts 5-6 years ago.
__________________

-Dennis T







Trsnrtr is offline  
Old 05-30-22, 12:16 PM
  #173  
PeteHski
Senior Member
 
PeteHski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3,534
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,787 Times in 1,137 Posts
I have to say I am very impressed with the latest Conti GP5000s TR. They came with my new Canyon in 30 mm width on DT Swiss carbon wheels (22 mm internal width). They seat and inflate very easily compared to the Pirellis I've been running on my other bike. Not sure if that is due to the tyre or rims or both. But these are the first road tubeless tyres I have been able to inflate first time with a regular track pump. I've got just over 1000 km on them so far, with no signs of cuts or wear despite some really rough roads. Grip and comfort are excellent too. Unless something bad happens I think these will be my default choice from now on - at least on this bike. I found the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR too fragile for my local use, but I still like the bombproof Cinturato Velos for winter training.
PeteHski is offline  
Old 05-30-22, 12:42 PM
  #174  
WhyFi
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 38,238

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 352 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19692 Post(s)
Liked 8,200 Times in 4,135 Posts
Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
I have to say I am very impressed with the latest Conti GP5000s TR. They came with my new Canyon in 30 mm width on DT Swiss carbon wheels (22 mm internal width). They seat and inflate very easily compared to the Pirellis I've been running on my other bike. Not sure if that is due to the tyre or rims or both. But these are the first road tubeless tyres I have been able to inflate first time with a regular track pump. I've got just over 1000 km on them so far, with no signs of cuts or wear despite some really rough roads. Grip and comfort are excellent too. Unless something bad happens I think these will be my default choice from now on - at least on this bike. I found the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR too fragile for my local use, but I still like the bombproof Cinturato Velos for winter training.
I would guess that it's the rims - the Pirelli (well, the P-Zero Race TLR, at least) should have the same bead specs as the Conti S-TR. All of the tires of the same spec, that I've tried, have mounted mounted with only a floor pump.

Also, *knock on wood* my P-Zeros probably have ~1800 miles or so on them and they've been trouble-free. This is through the worst part of the year, as far as debris is concerned, too.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-30-22, 01:32 PM
  #175  
PeteHski
Senior Member
 
PeteHski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3,534
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,787 Times in 1,137 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I would guess that it's the rims - the Pirelli (well, the P-Zero Race TLR, at least) should have the same bead specs as the Conti S-TR. All of the tires of the same spec, that I've tried, have mounted mounted with only a floor pump.

Also, *knock on wood* my P-Zeros probably have ~1800 miles or so on them and they've been trouble-free. This is through the worst part of the year, as far as debris is concerned, too.
Yeah I agree totally about the rims. My DT Swiss rims are the latest and greatest, clearly designed around wider tubeless tyres. My other Giant rims are much narrower (17 vs 22 mm internal) and older design. I noticed Giant have updated these rims in the last year and made them wider.
PeteHski is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.