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Old 01-31-23, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
A cheaper CL option than the style the brand is know for, I would guess. That said, I agree with your response.
We spent a lot on the wedding, but there are lines we don’t cross. Shoes that cost $1k are way over that line.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
We spent a lot on the wedding, but there are lines we don’t cross. Shoes that cost $1k are way over that line.
Agreed. Then again, some folks will spend $10k on a bicycle, and I would pass zero judgement.
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PPF patch for scuff protection and less rock-ape wheel swapping should do the trick here. Damage looks cosmetic.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
PPF patch for scuff protection and less rock-ape wheel swapping should do the trick here. Damage looks cosmetic.
That looks more like it was caused by wheel flexing while climbing hills or sprinting. Wheel swapping would not do that.
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Old 02-01-23, 06:56 AM
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Looks superficial... It can handle worse than that. I'd spray paint the thing with the right color and put a PPF to try to protect it for future friction.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
That looks more like it was caused by wheel flexing while climbing hills or sprinting. Wheel swapping would not do that.
You've got to be kidding. Have you seen the location of the scuffing?
I agree it doesn't look like wheel swapping damage either.
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pre-damage?

could the damage have been there before you took ownership? possible during shipment from a distributor to the bike shop? appears not to have been caused by the tire/wheel.
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I would put a couple of thin coats of epoxy resin over it then touch up w/ paint, and forgettaboutit.
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I have the same exact marks on my frame (CAAD13). I concluded it was caused by installing/uninstalling the rear wheel. The rotor edges are sharp, and it rubs there occasionally if I'm not careful (read: in a rush). This is not a problem structurally, just aesthetically.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
That looks more like it was caused by wheel flexing while climbing hills or sprinting. Wheel swapping would not do that.
I suggest looking at the pics again. The scrape is not immediately adjacent to the brake rotor, or any other part of the wheel that could rub the frame. Additionally, if the rotor is rubbing the frame, even under high-power conditions, that sounds to me like something is drastically wrong. Is this an issue you have had?
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I had a similar problem on my bike and I put a patch over it with a small piece of fiberglass cloth imbedded in epoxy. It has held up well and protects this area from further damage. I probably wouldn’t sell the frame though with this damage.
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Originally Posted by jrobe
I had a similar problem on my bike and I put a patch over it with a small piece of fiberglass cloth imbedded in epoxy. It has held up well and protects this area from further damage. I probably wouldn’t sell the frame though with this damage.
Fiberglass is easily damaged. If you want to make such a patch use Kevlar. Bullet proof. Will be just as ugly as fiberglass.
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Originally Posted by eduskator
Looks superficial... It can handle worse than that. I'd spray paint the thing with the right color and put a PPF to try to protect it for future friction.
I would do nothing to the bike. Something like that is obviously a sign of either using tires too wide for the bike or wheels that are too flexy.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
I would do nothing to the bike. Something like that is obviously a sign of either using tires too wide for the bike or wheels that are too flexy.
"Obviously"? Are you sure about that? You need to look at the pics a little LOT closer. Please describe how the tire could be rubbing the inside of the chainstay just outside the perimeter of the brake rotor.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Fiberglass is easily damaged. If you want to make such a patch use Kevlar. Bullet proof. Will be just as ugly as fiberglass.
Meh. The scrape isn't structural. IMO...Smear some epoxy on it, cover it with a clear tape/protector, or leave it alone.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Meh. The scrape isn't structural. IMO...Smear some epoxy on it, cover it with a clear tape/protector, or leave it alone.
I was just saying that fiberglass would not do a thing to rectify, but if you had to have a patch use something more ******. Kevlar!

My first post in the thread was to just put some PPF on it and ride it. That would prevent further abrasion. I stand by that.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
You've got to be kidding. Have you seen the location of the scuffing?
I agree it doesn't look like wheel swapping damage either.
Originally Posted by Eric F
"Obviously"? Are you sure about that? You need to look at the pics a little LOT closer. Please describe how the tire could be rubbing the inside of the chainstay just outside the perimeter of the brake rotor.
Oooops.. Looked at it again and not sure what to make of a cause. Nope, not tire rub while riding. My bad.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
I was just saying that fiberglass would not do a thing to rectify, but if you had to have a patch use something more ******. Kevlar!

My first post in the thread was to just put some PPF on it and ride it. That would prevent further abrasion. I stand by that.
Agreed.
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I am 99% sure this is a result of many "rock-ape" rear wheel swaps. It seems weird, but I don't have any other explanation. It's a CX bike that has a lot of tire clearance and extra room around the rear triangle (it can fit up to 45mm, but I usually run 28-33mm on it), so there's room for the wheel to move forward (before threading in the thru axle) and in that case the rotor will contact the inside of the stay in this location. I'm guessing most road disc frames with tighter clearance wouldn't have enough room for this to be possible.

The resale/depreciation hit is a valid point. If I were buying a used carbon frame, a nasty scuff like this would be a red flag. That said, this is a bike that has been ridden and raced hard for several years in some pretty extreme conditions, so this isn't the only visual blemish. I have no immediate plans to sell and don't know where this bike will end up in the future, but my expectations for resale value are already fairly low.
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Originally Posted by markynels
I have the same exact marks on my frame (CAAD13). I concluded it was caused by installing/uninstalling the rear wheel. The rotor edges are sharp, and it rubs there occasionally if I'm not careful (read: in a rush). This is not a problem structurally, just aesthetically.
My bike is a Cannondale SuperX. Maybe there's something unique about the geometry of these frames that results in this contact.
I'm also running a 160mm rear rotor and wondering if switching to 140mm would help avoid this.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
I'm also running a 160mm rear rotor and wondering if switching to 140mm would help avoid this.
No.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
My bike is a Cannondale SuperX. Maybe there's something unique about the geometry of these frames that results in this contact.
I'm also running a 160mm rear rotor and wondering if switching to 140mm would help avoid this.
Interesting you mention that, I forgot my wife's CAAD13 also had these same marks at delivery. Like a creaking BB, possible it's just a classic cannondale tolerance thing. It's not unreasonable to think 140mm wouldn't help the situation, but I personally won't scale down my 160's for the sake of some minor cosmetic damage.
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Originally Posted by markynels
Interesting you mention that, I forgot my wife's CAAD13 also had these same marks at delivery. Like a creaking BB, possible it's just a classic cannondale tolerance thing. It's not unreasonable to think 140mm wouldn't help the situation, but I personally won't scale down my 160's for the sake of some minor cosmetic damage.
I'm lucky I never had the creaking BB in 16K miles. Lots of issues with BB30 press fit BB's creaking.

Why would a 140mm rotor help the situation? Do rock apes like those less?
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Originally Posted by Lombard
I'm lucky I never had the creaking BB in 16K miles. Lots of issues with BB30 press fit BB's creaking.

Why would a 140mm rotor help the situation? Do rock apes like those less?
Mine started creaking at 36,000km. It wasn't bad at first, but now at 42,000 I think it's due for a change...

140 = smaller diameter, therefore greater clearance to that portion of the chainstay when removing/installing the wheel is my guess. Can't say for certain whether this would actually benefit in practice but it makes sense, in my head.
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Originally Posted by markynels
Mine started creaking at 36,000km. It wasn't bad at first, but now at 42,000 I think it's due for a change...

140 = smaller diameter, therefore greater clearance to that portion of the chainstay when removing/installing the wheel is my guess. Can't say for certain whether this would actually benefit in practice but it makes sense, in my head.
Oh, good to know I have another 6K miles before I start creaking, LOL!

Smaller diameter sounds good in theory. But with respect to the entire wheel size, it sounds like a big nothingburger.
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