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Old 09-12-20, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by John E
This is why some folks use left hand drive for fixed gear, because this makes the rear cog self-tightening during deceleration. The only problem is that this makes the pedals self-loosening, unless one can find a front crankset for a crossover drive tandem application.
Ok, still not closer to the answer...
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Originally Posted by wiston
Sorry I don't know the correct word for that...in czech it is "Galusky" and I glue them to the rim. Of course I know all "problems" associated with skidding. I just care about the ring durability and resistance. I think that the lock ring is enough for skid (at least I thought so).
Maybe I've taken a lot of risks in the last few years with ring only but my friends and many fixie riders use just lock rings. What other safety option is there when you want to ride pure fixie brakeless bike?
Well then, JB WELD.

Then it will never come off.
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Old 09-12-20, 11:07 AM
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Well then, JB WELD.

Then it will never come off.
Fine, but what is wrong about lock ring? The metal itself is solid enough. Maybe the screw-thread is a weak spot?
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There was a time, here in Belgium, when lock rings were prohibited on track.

I don't know if it's still the case and anyway I was thinking that fixie were nowhopefully has been with many of the guys having problems with their knees.
No track nearby?
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Originally Posted by wiston
Sorry I don't know the correct word for that...in czech it is "Galusky" and I glue them to the rim. Of course I know all "problems" associated with skidding. I just care about the ring durability and resistance. I think that the lock ring is enough for skid (at least I thought so).
Maybe I've taken a lot of risks in the last few years with ring only but my friends and many fixie riders use just lock rings. What other safety option is there when you want to ride pure fixie brakeless bike?
If you're willing to run without a coaster brake, there is the option of using a disc brake hub and a fixed cog designed to bolt directly to it. Absolutely durable and a cheap combo too.

https://www.amazon.com/Fixed-Bicycle.../dp/B074QMNYDG

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Originally Posted by wiston
OK...duscussing here pure fixies. Just frame, wheels and single speed hub!
Well, single speed hub can be freewheel, fixed, or coaster and coasters/freewheels are not a 'fixed wheel'. (fixie is so 2010 don't you think? )

Having a plan B to slow your bike down is never uncool.
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Originally Posted by wiston
Fine, but what is wrong about lock ring? The metal itself is solid enough. Maybe the screw-thread is a weak spot?
Maybe, if you must go down this road, get a bullitproof wheel built by the guru's and save the very cool one that is on there before it is permanently damaged and screws up that beautiful frame.
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Originally Posted by wiston
Yes! It is my imagination of how the bike could look like. I would like the rear hub a little bit smaller and completely chrome and keep the front wheel. So I need to find some tubeless vintage rim and compatible coaster hub. I am not sure about the width of the hub - so I can mount it with the frame?
...every modern track frame I've encountered here in the US was spaced at 120mm in the rear.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Maybe, if you must go down this road, get a bullitproof wheel built by the guru's and save the very cool one that is on there before it is permanently damaged and screws up that beautiful frame.
Of course I don't want to ruin that bike in any way. If I would go with new rear hub, I would buy new rim. Dont want to damage this beautiful wheels with nice string joins.
Keeping that in mind I still want to ride this bike just because I like it and I am not track enthusiast at all So I need to adjust (without any destructive changes) it somehow or sell it.
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Originally Posted by wiston
Of course I don't want to ruin that bike in any way. If I would go with new rear hub, I would buy new rim. Dont want to damage this beautiful wheels with nice string joins.
Keeping that in mind I still want to ride this bike just because I like it and I am not track enthusiast at all So I need to adjust (without any destructive changes) it somehow or sell it.
I get it and like I said, if you must, seek out the gurus who fix this problem and make it so.

Or just box it up and send it to me, I have a couple of fixies just sitting here I would be happy to trade.
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Shimano CB-E110 is a nice coaster brake hub. I think they may be wider than 120, though. Worth looking into.

Where are you located, @wiston? Fichtel & Sachs made some nice rear hubs if you want to search for something vintage. I have a Duomatic that is a coaster brake and two speed kickback. It is fantastic. They came in 28 hole and 36 hole variations. The 36, which is what I have, can be hard to find - at least in the US.
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Originally Posted by wiston
Sorry I don't know the correct word for that...in czech it is "Galusky" and I glue them to the rim.
That is a tubular tire, not tubeless, although Tufo makes tubular tires that do not have inner tubes, most tubular tires have inner tubes sewn inside the outside casing of the tire
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Originally Posted by Munny
There was a time, here in Belgium, when lock rings were prohibited on track.

I don't know if it's still the case and anyway I was thinking that fixie were nowhopefully has been with many of the guys having problems with their knees.
No track nearby?
On the track, a lock ring really doesn’t do that much. One or two hard accelerations, and the cog is on tight enough that you will have to lock up the rear wheel to break the cog loose. If you have to slow down that fast in a track race, well, you have already crashed.
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Originally Posted by wiston
The cheapest option is to buy the lock ring. Only thing I am confused about is - can I rely on the ring? Will it handle skidding?
no, not good enough. Take a look at a purpose built Fixie hub:

Notice that there are two different diameter threads on there. The cog goes on the inner CW thread. The outer thread is CCW. The lock ring goes here.
When you pedal forward the cog will self tighten. When you backpedal the lock ring will self tighten.
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Originally Posted by wiston
Of course I don't want to ruin that bike in any way. If I would go with new rear hub, I would buy new rim. Dont want to damage this beautiful wheels with nice string joins.
Keeping that in mind I still want to ride this bike just because I like it and I am not track enthusiast at all So I need to adjust (without any destructive changes) it somehow or sell it.
Your easiest path is to get a bottom bracket adjustable cup lock ring. it has the same RH threading as the hub, probably 1.370 x 24 tpi, tighten the cog well, and tighten the bottom bracket lock ring against it.
BUT, that is a poor choice for skid stopping, I think using a tubular tire (glued on type as mentioned) is silly, any skid stops will wear to the casing very quickly.

Way back, we rode the track without lockrings. Made for faster cog changes. About 1975, the officials were issued orders to inspect bikes for lock rings before events. Prior to that, no problem.
It is now a UCI thing for track racing. Everyone lives with the rules.

A true lock ring is slightly smaller thread diameter than the cog and has reverse lefthand threading. There are essentially three standards, the French, Campagnolo, and everyone else.
Just looked on ebay and there are plenty of coaster brake hubs in chrome to be found, in 36 spoke count. For a street use, want to skid wheel, get a clincher rim, the tires can be found in many tread weights.
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Importing from Japan you may find a a front brake mount that bolts onto track bikes .. Keirin racers train on their race bikes on the streets
and add a front brake they remove when back in the velodrome..
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Could you recommend me some without any additional features please? Just the smallest and highest-quality rear coaster brake? I like single speed bike
VELOSTEEL


https://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/...brake-hub.html

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Coaster brake


So this is how the bike looks like today. I’ve got two old tires. Front one is tubular type and the rear is classic one with inner tube. The rear tire also has coaster brake installed and I only need to install front brake now
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Originally Posted by wiston
Sorry I don't know the correct word for that...in czech it is "Galusky" and I glue them to the rim.
Filing this away for posterity - I love that name for tubulars. Google doesn't have it but the Czech Tufo site does.
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I wouldnt add a front brake, it looks nice and clean without one. Im suprised that not alot of single speeds dont use coaster brakes, makes for a clean and silent setup.
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Originally Posted by wiston

So this is how the bike looks like today. I’ve got two old tires. Front one is tubular type and the rear is classic one with inner tube. The rear tire also has coaster brake installed and I only need to install front brake now
Well there you go, done!

I would insulate the chainstay from that coaster brake arm clamp with something though, especially if you are going to be doing skid stops, maybe thinwall clear tubing so as not to mar the chainstay.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
I think that's a SRAM Automatix - a two-speed kickback. Gives you both a quality coaster and two gears with no extra cables.

Sturmey makes one as well in the all-important, clear anodized aluminum color you wish:
https://www.amazon.com/Sturmey-Arche.../dp/B0041X814O

This is, of course, provided you like the idea of a kickback two-speed.

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That SRAM is not a kick back, it is a centrifugal change hub, when the wheel gets to a specific rotational speed it shifts.
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Old 02-21-21, 08:49 AM
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SS Coaster Brake was always the best way to fit your desires...looks good
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Originally Posted by bwilli88
That SRAM is not a kick back, it is a centrifugal change hub, when the wheel gets to a specific rotational speed it shifts.
My bad. Thanks!

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I am just worried about the coaster brake longevity? I am 87kg so it tooks lot of force to stop the bike.
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