Caliwild

https://www.cyclingtips.com/2023/05/...t-look-review/

So, what do y'all think? Sounds way too pricey and not sure I like the new look... Better outperform Dura Ace 9200 for that money (I somehow doubt it).

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seypat

As stated in the other Campy SR wireless thread(in General), that stuff is fugly.

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...-wireless.html

Caliwild

Doh! Didn't see that... but I never check that subforum. But, yeah, Campy is supposed to always look better than the rest but they missed the mark here. Too bad because if the braking is as good as the Ekar (which it's supposed to be), the performance should be good.

yaw

Wow.

No big cassettes, no satellite shifters, downsized chainrings, bulbous Chinese groupset startup prototype looks, vertical shifter separation in a departure from the Campag layout the loyal base loves. I hear the shifters are not easy to distinguish by feel and that there are sharp edges on the housing.

Wireless, ride home mode, good claimed range, and faster shifts don't seem to make up for it upon first glance in the light of the competition and the current performance level in the market.

Not sure what strange series of events need to come together for anyone to pick this over DA at the price point.

Robert A

Pretty boxy looking derailleurs. I don't suppose the $5,400 entrance fee includes the whole bike.

chaadster

This is great news, and it puts Campagnolo back in play on the road bike scene!

Wireless is the way, so it’s great having an alternative SRAM. Not that I dislike SRAM— Force AXS has been good to me— but Campagnolo is the legend, the true spirit of road cycling, and it’s what I prefer. I just wasn’t going to mess with wired electronic shifting.

jaxgtr

And $5500 to boot

Camilo

Two different batteries, no thanks.

chaadster

That does sound, prima facie, like an inconvenience and complication, but I think being able to charge in situ (i.e. while installed on the bike) goes a long way and pretty much quashes the complaint. It’s certainly preferable for me to charge on-bike, as it reduces necessary parts and steps in the process, and simplifies organization. It’s how I charge my Assioma pedals, and I’d prefer my Force AXS charged that way.

It does mean two spares are needed if spare batteries are your thing, but I don’t think it is for the vast majority of riders or the specific target segment of riders who drop $5.5k USD on a groupset. Were we looking at an adventure/randonneur groupset, I could see a different calculus at play perhaps, but covering every eventuality is not the MO of the luxury market.

ussprinceton

meh,..... I'll stick with Shimano, thanks

Oldguyonoldbike

Ugly and way too expensive.

I've been riding Campy for three decades, but I don't see much of their stuff in my future.

waters60

I rode Campy for 40 years, through 11 speed Chorus. As I got older and looked for lower gearing Campy stopped at 28. I was as big a Campy snob as anyone but since I got a new bike in 2018 with Ultegra Di2 and larger cassette range I have no regrets. It works flawlessly. $5500.00 is more than I paid for my Synapse with Di2.

mattcalifornia

Fair enough, but bear in mind that (a) you can usually buy these groupsets at deep discounts off of MSRP once they've been on the market a while, and (b) if they eventually make Record and Chorus versions of this, they will be MUCH cheaper. Chorus should be close to 1/2 the price IF they ever make it. I would think they'd have to start going down that road if they want to stay in the game.

EDIT: BTW, I have Chorus 12 with an 11-32 cassette and 34-50 chainrings. You can even get an 11-34 cassette and 32-48 crankset. (I believe the 32-48 crankset is Chorus only - not available on Record or SR)

However, I did not get Ekar on my gravel bike because the gearing is not low enough for me for the riding around here. I went SRAM with third party cassette and crankset.

waters60

It was part bad timing; Campy came out with 32 cogs a couple of years after I wanted them but I must say flawless Di2 is hard to argue with. I run a 34 cog with my 34 chainring but when I do 125 miles and 16,000’ feet next Saturday I’ll be glad😳

chaadster

I wouldn’t present myself as an expert in luxury goods marketing although I do have some practical familarity working in the field, but based on the replies here, it looks like Campagnolo are doing it right.

Most people are supposed to be a “no” on the buy for a variety of reasons. If most people were a “yes,” that’d be a successful common or commodity good, but a failure as an exclusive, luxury good.

Sy Reene

Yeah, I was going to say, I'm running 11s mid-cage Chorus with a 32 cassette.

bruce19

I've been hearing that this group set costs over $5,000. That will never make sense to me. I could buy a new bike with Di-2 for that price.

chaadster

Yeah, that’s how it works. Super Record is not for everyone, particularly not those price-shopping it against Shimano 105. You have to be in the premium segment to be on the SR radar, and whether it resonates in that market segment is yet to be seen.

As I stated upthread, I’m not in the SR market either, but not because I’d be just as happy with 105. I want SR Wireless, I just can’t afford it and will probably do SRAM Force AXS again on my next roadie if Campagnolo doesn’t send the tech downmarket before then. Or I win lotto… 😉

Sy Reene

Not even 105 though. You can get a decent Canyon Ultimate with Ultegra Di2 and an installed powermeter for $4600 currently.

Koyote

I'm glad that I'm not into conspicuous consumption. I can just buy a less costly product that is prettier and works better.

chaadster

Yeah, well adding in the DTC component moves the target market even further afield, as SR buyers are probably, in large part, looking for bespoke/custom frames and builds. But I dunno…do Canyon offer SR? It seems like a completely different business model, but I really don’t know…

Sy Reene

Canyon does offer a SR EPS model currently at about a $9100 (US equiv) pricepoint, but not on the US site. Going OT.. not sure what's up with Canyon US -- really small product lineup at the moment. Much more available eg. if you live in Canada and shop on their site for some reason.

chaadster

Ah, okay. Well I guess Campagnolo has it figured out even better than I thought! I mean, they may be gone from the USA OE spec road game, but nailing down range-topping spec for such a prominent DTC brand as Canyon shows Campagnolo still has chops in the volume segment somewhat, so that’s good news. I’d imagine the Wireless tech should broaden adoption for OE, too, as it’s quite a bit easier to work with than wired, saving time and money.