Wouldn't you get a better workout with a heavier bike ?
05-16-21, 12:30 PM
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Now that I gained 25 pounds, I get a lot better workout. It's almost free!
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05-16-21, 12:32 PM
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You aren’t making much sense here either. And you are going on about things most people here already know.
It you want (it’s a choice) to make a particular group ride harder, you can choose to use a heavier bike.
That’s kind of an unusual situation. You should have mentioned it before rather than in an attempt to “win” an argument you lost a few times already.
You don’t need a heavier bike to get a harder workout.
It you want (it’s a choice) to make a particular group ride harder, you can choose to use a heavier bike.
That’s kind of an unusual situation. You should have mentioned it before rather than in an attempt to “win” an argument you lost a few times already.
You don’t need a heavier bike to get a harder workout.
The question isn't about intentionally choosing a heavier bike for a better workout, it's that a lighter bike doesn't give you one.
The OP made a specous claim based on hyperbole but in a more reasonable frame of reference there is some truth to the fact that a more expensive bike, objectively, within the same parameters, gives one less of a workout because it's easier to pedal.
People have been twisting themselves in knots saying you can always work harder to achieve the same workout - but that just proves my point. You have to work harder on the expensive bike to achieve the same result because you are compensating for the objective mechanical advantage it provides.
That seems obvious but people are still arguing it.
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05-16-21, 12:35 PM
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More nonsense.
This thread isn’t about any of that.
Anyway, people don’t have unlimited money to pursue small differences in weight.
The performance difference between a 16 lb bike and a 18 on one is small. And the difference in price can be huge.
The small performance difference might be worth it if it allows you to win a race. But for most people, it isn’t worth it for a few extra minutes.
If you have oodles of cash, no one cares how you spend it.
This thread isn’t about any of that.
Anyway, people don’t have unlimited money to pursue small differences in weight.
The performance difference between a 16 lb bike and a 18 on one is small. And the difference in price can be huge.
The small performance difference might be worth it if it allows you to win a race. But for most people, it isn’t worth it for a few extra minutes.
If you have oodles of cash, no one cares how you spend it.
Top tier, race oriented bikes are expensive. They provide an advantage in competition. But, if you goal is just exercise they give no advantage over a decent mid grade bike and even work against the goal because they are easier to pedal.
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05-16-21, 12:37 PM
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There are many people who mistakenly believe a “top tier bike” will make them better cyclists.
Why give people the impression that they “need that top tier bike” when, in most cases, they don’t on a “recreational ride”?
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05-16-21, 12:44 PM
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You'd get about the same response if you told someone they didn't need the nice car they just bought and could travel just as well with a 5 yr old Corolla. Most people are smart enough to buy what they want.
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05-16-21, 12:49 PM
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An expensive lightweight bike gives you a better workout.
A decent mid grade bike can give you just as good a workout as the above mentioned bike.
Considering it's exercise for exercise sake and not for cycling as a sport perse.
05-16-21, 12:51 PM
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Ride in a higher gear, increase intensity.
Ride a bike with higher rolling resistance tires, increase intensity
Ride a bike with more resistance in it's bearings, increase intensity.
Ride a heavier bike, increase intensity.
And guess what? If you put less effort into any of the above situations, you decrease your intensity.
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People have been twisting themselves in knots saying you can always work harder to achieve the same workout - but that just proves my point. You have to work harder on the expensive bike to achieve the same result because you are compensating for the objective mechanical advantage it provides.
That seems obvious but people are still arguing it.
That seems obvious but people are still arguing it.
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05-16-21, 01:00 PM
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People have been twisting themselves in knots saying you can always work harder to achieve the same workout - but that just proves my point. You have to work harder on the expensive bike to achieve the same result because you are compensating for the objective mechanical advantage it provides.
That seems obvious but people are still arguing it.
Why?
Why is that argument ok for you to make but not for them?
Why are you making the same argument (in overly long-winded and nonsensical ways) after they made the same argument?
Why?
You are arguing against people saying the same thing. Which is bizarre.
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05-16-21, 01:00 PM
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Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
And guess what? If you put less effort into any of the above situations, you decrease your intensity.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
And guess what? If you put less effort into any of the above situations, you decrease your intensity.
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05-16-21, 01:12 PM
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05-16-21, 01:49 PM
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Probably. But it’s not the OP that’s perpetuated the nonsense.
05-16-21, 05:41 PM
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Yes, posters continuously posting over and over that one can get as much or more of a workout on a lighter bike as long as they do X, Y, or Z, does prove your point. (that physics matter) And they aren't about to stop now because, well, BF and riding fast and feather weight bikes, and never give up when disagreeing. Gosh, I love this place!
This whole argument is ridiculous. I will never be interested in paying top dollar for a bike because I enjoy the middling stock that I have, and the marginal improvements aren't worth the thousands of dollars to me. Note the "to me" part, I don't want to convince anyone to agree with that, nor am I open to entertaining anyone's efforts to convince me my preferences are wrong. But why would anyone think that "you can get the same workout for cheaper" would be the decisive argument to convince someone else that the features of the more expensive bikes that they value aren't worth the money? Value is subjective. Markets set the prices, not arguments on BF.
05-16-21, 05:55 PM
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You are still arguing it with people making the same argument.
Why?
Why is that argument ok for you to make but not for them?
Why are you making the same argument (in overly long-winded and nonsensical ways) after they made the same argument?
Why?
You are arguing against people saying the same thing. Which is bizarre.
Why?
Why is that argument ok for you to make but not for them?
Why are you making the same argument (in overly long-winded and nonsensical ways) after they made the same argument?
Why?
You are arguing against people saying the same thing. Which is bizarre.
05-16-21, 06:07 PM
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Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
And guess what? If you put less effort into any of the above situations, you decrease your intensity.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
Only if you put more effort into it.
And guess what? If you put less effort into any of the above situations, you decrease your intensity.
Thank You at last for acknowledging these points.
Now, if it's just about the effort, and not about the bike what objective argument can be made for buying a lighter bike over a heavier bike?
I've been asking this question over and over again and, while it appears now everyone is agreeing, I still face ad hominen attacks because of it. If it's so obvious why has my argument been called ridiculous over and over again?
Remember, the basic question of the thread is why buy a lighter bike when your goal is exercise? That's the actual question the OP posted, in a specious way... but when put forth in a more realistic comparison, as I've been doing throughout, the answer appears to be, none.
There is no benefit to paying considerably more for less weight. It actually appears to work against the goal because you have to do more to equal the workout effort of the heavier bike. Either riding faster, in a higher gear or for a longer distance.
The competitive edge a light top tier bike gives one in competition does not translate into the same edge for general exercise..You want your cake and to eat it too.
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05-16-21, 06:21 PM
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It's crystal clear. Are you disagreeing with a point I made or just disagreeing with me to disagree?
I'm OK with us agreeing. If you do disagree with a point, provide a logical argument against it and I'll consider it.
I'm OK with us agreeing. If you do disagree with a point, provide a logical argument against it and I'll consider it.
05-16-21, 06:23 PM
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Remember, the basic question of the thread is why buy a lighter bike when your goal is exercise? That's the actual question the OP posted, in a specious way... but when put forth in a more realistic comparison, as I've been doing throughout, the answer appears to be, none.
Why?
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How does repeating the same thing that people already said "prove your point"?
???
You are saying the same thing as those people.
How is it that they are "still arguing it" but you aren't?
Why are you repeating something that people already said that is "obvious"?
You are repeating what people already said.
What is ridiculous is you repeating the same thing other people said as some contrary argument.
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05-16-21, 07:04 PM
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Dude. I am repeating what I have said since the first page of this thread. Scroll back. Way back.
This is bizarre, even by BF standards.
If your definition of a better workout is the maximum number of calories burned in a given time interval, then all that matters is pedaling as hard as you can for that time interval. For example: do a 1 hour time trial on a 35-pound, poorly tuned Walmart POS. Then (after a sufficient recovery) do a 1 hour time trial on a 15-lb TdF bike. You'll put in the same energy into the TdF bike as you did the WM-POS, you'll just go farther in the hour.
The amount of energy expended is dependent on the rider, not the bike.
The amount of energy expended is dependent on the rider, not the bike.
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