Co-op dilemma - another rusty "classic"
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Co-op dilemma - another rusty "classic"
For your consideration - an early 1970s Raleigh Sprite 27 that looks very much like the one on the right in this picture, except kinda rusty and dirty:
Pluses - nothing seems to be stuck and it has all the "R" nuts and other little bits (except I don't think the pedals are original). Even the cotters came out easily. The rust is mild by the standards of many here, but enough to pit the chrome.
Minuses - It was never a high end bike, so the enthusiast market is very limited, and the Huret derailleurs mean that it will never be a very good bike by modern standards for a regular person to ride around, even if I were a better restorer/mechanic.
I'm having a really hard time getting motivated to spend hours rehabbing this bike in original condition given that it will probably sell for no more than $125, and the person who buys it may not be very happy with it unless they really appreciate clunky old technology. The obvious economic choice would be to replace the wheels and components with 80s bin parts - the paint is decent so it would look pretty good and ride pretty well. Then I could sell the little Raleigh-branded bits to you guys. Or I could turn it into a 3-speed - I'm pretty sure we have a 27" SA wheel hanging around somewhere. But it bugs me to part out a bike that basically has everything original.
Any great ideas? Or anybody within driving distance want a dirty Sprite 27? This is not intended as a sale thread, I'm more looking for sympathy. But I'm a paid member so if somebody gets bent out of shape and wants to move it to the C&V sales forum I don't really care.
Pluses - nothing seems to be stuck and it has all the "R" nuts and other little bits (except I don't think the pedals are original). Even the cotters came out easily. The rust is mild by the standards of many here, but enough to pit the chrome.
Minuses - It was never a high end bike, so the enthusiast market is very limited, and the Huret derailleurs mean that it will never be a very good bike by modern standards for a regular person to ride around, even if I were a better restorer/mechanic.
I'm having a really hard time getting motivated to spend hours rehabbing this bike in original condition given that it will probably sell for no more than $125, and the person who buys it may not be very happy with it unless they really appreciate clunky old technology. The obvious economic choice would be to replace the wheels and components with 80s bin parts - the paint is decent so it would look pretty good and ride pretty well. Then I could sell the little Raleigh-branded bits to you guys. Or I could turn it into a 3-speed - I'm pretty sure we have a 27" SA wheel hanging around somewhere. But it bugs me to part out a bike that basically has everything original.
Any great ideas? Or anybody within driving distance want a dirty Sprite 27? This is not intended as a sale thread, I'm more looking for sympathy. But I'm a paid member so if somebody gets bent out of shape and wants to move it to the C&V sales forum I don't really care.
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@albrt I've seen those bikes. Someone listed a bunch of neglected bikes on CL, including a pair of '93 Trek 820 Antelopes, a Peugeot Ocelot, and a Diamond Back something (red, with sus. fork and V-brakes). Only $20 apiece, but some are in very rough shape, and I do not need another project bike. The trick is to silently wish them well and let them go. Not easy, but it can be done.
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Sorry for any confusion - I'm a volunteer rehabbing vintage bikes for a co-op and this bike was donated so we already have it. I'm mainly just whining because the motivation to effort-required ratio on this bike is low, unless I break down and strip it.
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You sound like you might be suffering from co-op burnout, which is a real thing. But it might also be the long winter, end of February blues. They made and sold about a gajillion of these, so it's not a big deal. There will be other bicycles, that were more meaningful in their time, that might better inspire your efforts.
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have you considered that the co-op could offer it for sale on an as-is basis for the buyer to put in good running condition
if for example the co-op has mechanical classes this could be a machine for a student to use as a learning tool if they do not already have a project machine they would like to work on...
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have you considered that the co-op could offer it for sale on an as-is basis for the buyer to put in good running condition
if for example the co-op has mechanical classes this could be a machine for a student to use as a learning tool if they do not already have a project machine they would like to work on...
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^^^juvela is spot on here. The coop I volunteer for does this and it's a win-win. People get a cheap project bike, the coop frees up space and potentially the person buying it will take a class at the coop to learn to fix the bike.
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have you considered that the co-op could offer it for sale on an as-is basis for the buyer to put in good running condition
if for example the co-op has mechanical classes this could be a machine for a student to use as a learning tool if they do not already have a project machine they would like to work on...
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have you considered that the co-op could offer it for sale on an as-is basis for the buyer to put in good running condition
if for example the co-op has mechanical classes this could be a machine for a student to use as a learning tool if they do not already have a project machine they would like to work on...
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Edit - I hope I don't sound dismissive. I'm very interested in discussing this type of thing, maybe somebody will come up with a new angle we haven't tried. I brought up the idea of a co-op forum with the powers that be, but no progress so far.
https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sug...-op-forum.html
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I may have contributed to Al's angst by possibly being the person who plucked the Sprite from the "recyctrash" pile at Recycle Your Bicycle. I grabbed a number of C&V bikes that seemed to deserve another chance, but now with the plummeting of the resale market they've become less of a historic asset and more of an inventory burden. And with the overall lack of sanity around the shop, we don't need yet another previously-sane volunteer lapsing into bike-induced neurosis, psychosis, or ennui. Although we have gotten rather good at adapting to it.
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I hear you….
This tall Raleigh has been hanging on the hook for a bit. Tried selling for $75, build it yourself and no takers.
march, it goes down to $50 before finally…….the recycle bin.
it’s a shame because it is real pretty, patina and all. No idea the year or model.
not enough time in the day to save every C&V that comes in.
march, it goes down to $50 before finally…….the recycle bin.
it’s a shame because it is real pretty, patina and all. No idea the year or model.
not enough time in the day to save every C&V that comes in.
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I'd say don't get too nostalgic. Better to create a useful bike for someone by swapping out parts.
The bike has no feelings, but if it did, making it a functional bike would honour it more
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Cool. You do this a lot? Maybe you could build a gigantic tank for oxalic acid baths, big enough to drop entire bikes in. "Well, I'll check on it tomorrow"...
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Recycle bin? How about $20 or even "free giveaway," if you can't get $50 for it?
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I think I'll go ahead and replace the derailleurs with Shimanos or Suntours from the bin, then maybe I'll keep the Hurets in a bag in case the buyer might ever want to restore.
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If you have a set of Kool-Stop pads to spare, it should also stave off the inevitable switch to aluminum 27" rims - which I dare say are probably becoming less and less plentiful.
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I'm the guy always pulling frames and bits from the metal bin, hoping someone might come in and give them a new home.
Just like that E-Harmony lady who wants to but can't save every cat, I can't save every bike.
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I have a green Raleigh Sprite 3 speed I spent far too much time on with some cutting wax bringing the paint up to a high gloss luster & far too much effort with 4-ought steel wool & wax on all the shiny bits. Squirted in some Phil's oil to bring the Sturmey-Archer back to life. Then some good condition used tires were installed from the imperial tires pile.
I put a work stoppage order when it came to the headset & bottom bracket rebuild (old grease has turned waxy) due to sunk labor costs & labeled it $125 as-is...In 8 months, not a soul has even bothered to look at it.
I put a work stoppage order when it came to the headset & bottom bracket rebuild (old grease has turned waxy) due to sunk labor costs & labeled it $125 as-is...In 8 months, not a soul has even bothered to look at it.
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For your consideration - an early 1970s Raleigh Sprite 27 that looks very much like the one on the right in this picture, except kinda rusty and dirty:
Pluses - nothing seems to be stuck and it has all the "R" nuts and other little bits (except I don't think the pedals are original). Even the cotters came out easily. The rust is mild by the standards of many here, but enough to pit the chrome.
Minuses - It was never a high end bike, so the enthusiast market is very limited, and the Huret derailleurs mean that it will never be a very good bike by modern standards for a regular person to ride around, even if I were a better restorer/mechanic.
I'm having a really hard time getting motivated to spend hours rehabbing this bike in original condition given that it will probably sell for no more than $125, and the person who buys it may not be very happy with it unless they really appreciate clunky old technology. The obvious economic choice would be to replace the wheels and components with 80s bin parts - the paint is decent so it would look pretty good and ride pretty well. Then I could sell the little Raleigh-branded bits to you guys. Or I could turn it into a 3-speed - I'm pretty sure we have a 27" SA wheel hanging around somewhere. But it bugs me to part out a bike that basically has everything original.
Any great ideas? Or anybody within driving distance want a dirty Sprite 27? This is not intended as a sale thread, I'm more looking for sympathy. But I'm a paid member so if somebody gets bent out of shape and wants to move it to the C&V sales forum I don't really care.
Pluses - nothing seems to be stuck and it has all the "R" nuts and other little bits (except I don't think the pedals are original). Even the cotters came out easily. The rust is mild by the standards of many here, but enough to pit the chrome.
Minuses - It was never a high end bike, so the enthusiast market is very limited, and the Huret derailleurs mean that it will never be a very good bike by modern standards for a regular person to ride around, even if I were a better restorer/mechanic.
I'm having a really hard time getting motivated to spend hours rehabbing this bike in original condition given that it will probably sell for no more than $125, and the person who buys it may not be very happy with it unless they really appreciate clunky old technology. The obvious economic choice would be to replace the wheels and components with 80s bin parts - the paint is decent so it would look pretty good and ride pretty well. Then I could sell the little Raleigh-branded bits to you guys. Or I could turn it into a 3-speed - I'm pretty sure we have a 27" SA wheel hanging around somewhere. But it bugs me to part out a bike that basically has everything original.
Any great ideas? Or anybody within driving distance want a dirty Sprite 27? This is not intended as a sale thread, I'm more looking for sympathy. But I'm a paid member so if somebody gets bent out of shape and wants to move it to the C&V sales forum I don't really care.
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This tall Raleigh has been hanging on the hook for a bit. Tried selling for $75, build it yourself and no takers.
march, it goes down to $50 before finally…….the recycle bin.
it’s a shame because it is real pretty, patina and all. No idea the year or model.
not enough time in the day to save every C&V that comes in.
march, it goes down to $50 before finally…….the recycle bin.
it’s a shame because it is real pretty, patina and all. No idea the year or model.
not enough time in the day to save every C&V that comes in.
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Regarding the original problem with the Sprite 27, I don't have specific advice except that at our co-op I've found a few complete but uncool/undesirable machines and I've rescued more than one of them, and at the Salvation Army I've seen perfect uncool classics not be sold in an auction and land in the dumpster. Good luck!
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This is why I stay away from bike co-ops and animal shelters. They all deserve a good home and it breaks my heart.
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I'd guess Super Grand Prix, a non-531 bike. Right-ish color for the frame but the SGP usually had black panels instead of black lugs and crown paint.
Regarding the original problem with the Sprite 27, I don't have specific advice except that at our co-op I've found a few complete but uncool/undesirable machines and I've rescued more than one of them, and at the Salvation Army I've seen perfect uncool classics not be sold in an auction and land in the dumpster. Good luck!
Regarding the original problem with the Sprite 27, I don't have specific advice except that at our co-op I've found a few complete but uncool/undesirable machines and I've rescued more than one of them, and at the Salvation Army I've seen perfect uncool classics not be sold in an auction and land in the dumpster. Good luck!
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It's amazing how wildly different various markets are.
I can barely get rid of a modern Schwinn hybrid right now, but I wound up selling this Sprite within 24 hours of listing it, last year. Believe it or not, it's the second time I've sold it; previous owner bought it six years prior, then sold it back to me last year.
It still had that aforementioned Suntour freewheel conversion and an (ugly but functional) Shimano Acera rear derailer. Stem shifters are racheting Suntour as it has a Sports stem on it; don't remember why.
The combo was working just as good six years later too. No chain skate, excellent engagement in each cog.
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I can barely get rid of a modern Schwinn hybrid right now, but I wound up selling this Sprite within 24 hours of listing it, last year. Believe it or not, it's the second time I've sold it; previous owner bought it six years prior, then sold it back to me last year.
It still had that aforementioned Suntour freewheel conversion and an (ugly but functional) Shimano Acera rear derailer. Stem shifters are racheting Suntour as it has a Sports stem on it; don't remember why.
The combo was working just as good six years later too. No chain skate, excellent engagement in each cog.
-Kurt
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I recently placed and got an order for four Sunringle CR18 27" 630x18 36h aluminum rims. But note, they are no longer listed on the Sunringle website and most of the dealers listing them are "Currently Sold Out".
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presence of Alatet headset tells us steerer threaded 24TPI
nice Vagner DP+ forged crown
lug pattern appears BOCAMA 18/I
seating pad on outer face of brake bridge is a feature which came in about 1976 on frames of this calibre
presence of centrepull bridge tells us it likely came fitted with Weinmann centrepull brakes
housing stop for covered cable type front mech suggests gear ensemble may have been MAEDA at this era
"Type II" cotterless bottom bracket assembly suggests it may have been fitted with a Sakae Ringyo chainset Raleigh used at this era
would expect it to be at least three-tube 531 plain gauge
expect pillar size of either 26.2 or 26.4
definitely pre-Huffman; may have come through the Oklahoma facility
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presence of Alatet headset tells us steerer threaded 24TPI
nice Vagner DP+ forged crown
lug pattern appears BOCAMA 18/I
seating pad on outer face of brake bridge is a feature which came in about 1976 on frames of this calibre
presence of centrepull bridge tells us it likely came fitted with Weinmann centrepull brakes
housing stop for covered cable type front mech suggests gear ensemble may have been MAEDA at this era
"Type II" cotterless bottom bracket assembly suggests it may have been fitted with a Sakae Ringyo chainset Raleigh used at this era
would expect it to be at least three-tube 531 plain gauge
expect pillar size of either 26.2 or 26.4
definitely pre-Huffman; may have come through the Oklahoma facility
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