Worst Commuting Cities (and why)!
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Detroit. I mean, really, how can you beat the Motor City for unfriendliness to bikes? You can't ride on the freeways (though why would you want to over there?), bike lanes are non-existant, except in far-flung suburbs like Ann Arbor, there is no real mass transit and what little exists is not geared for bikes.
Not to mention Michigan winters.
Then again, I moved away in 2000, so maybe something has changed since then?
Not to mention Michigan winters.
Then again, I moved away in 2000, so maybe something has changed since then?
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I'm going to say Hong Kong. A recent article in HK Magazine quoted a government official as saying they don't recognise bicycles as vehicles, and don't want to encourage bicycle use. Hong Kong island has lots of of two lane, high-speed, twisty roads with no shoulders or sidewalks and lots of blind corners. There is ZERO infrastructure devoted to bicycles as transportation (bike racks and the like). Cars are not at all used to dealing with bicycles, and often drive very aggressively. Street-level pollution is nasty.
The situation in Kowloon (the non-island part of Hong Kong) is better since there's a bit more room. But still, it's not a city that's at all set up for bike commuting.
All of this kind of sucks because I'm thinking of moving back there... need to figure out how I can make a bike commute work!
The situation in Kowloon (the non-island part of Hong Kong) is better since there's a bit more room. But still, it's not a city that's at all set up for bike commuting.
All of this kind of sucks because I'm thinking of moving back there... need to figure out how I can make a bike commute work!
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Any city in Spain is awful for comutting. Absolute lack of bike lanes, except the ones for the politicians pics, no access from suburbs to downtown, 40ºC (!00ºF), no bike respect culture and the second most hilly country in Europe behind Switzerland.
I live in Madrid and everything is not enough when safety on you bike is the matter.
On the other hand, no place to ride your (not commuting) bike like Spain.
I live in Madrid and everything is not enough when safety on you bike is the matter.
On the other hand, no place to ride your (not commuting) bike like Spain.
New York in many ways has a similar problem. A lot of people I know would like to bike to work but it is just much easier for them to take the subway.
Also it is a lot easier to commute by bike in smaller Spanish cities. I know when I lived in San Sebastian in college a lot of us commuted to school on rollerblades.
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Washington DC.
1) Bad roads. Georgetown still has some cobblestones and trolly tracks,Union Station is positively cratered.
2) Diplomats. Run you down with no consiquences.
3) Aggro drivers. People just don't care about anything outside their vehicle.
4) Cell phone use. Tell someone what they're doing is illegal and they threaten to run you over.
5) Lemmings. People cross the street wherever they feel like.
6) Bad bike lanes. Every single one in the door zone. Bike and bus only lanes in Chinatown are ignored.
7) Cops. Don't know bike laws/don't like cyclists. Blame most accidents on cyclists,hate taking stolen bike reports. Even a local cop admits this is true.
8) Hills. I live at Cathedral. I'll never ride fixed in this town.
Shame really,since bikes are the only way to get through traffic and parking them is so easy.
1) Bad roads. Georgetown still has some cobblestones and trolly tracks,Union Station is positively cratered.
2) Diplomats. Run you down with no consiquences.
3) Aggro drivers. People just don't care about anything outside their vehicle.
4) Cell phone use. Tell someone what they're doing is illegal and they threaten to run you over.
5) Lemmings. People cross the street wherever they feel like.
6) Bad bike lanes. Every single one in the door zone. Bike and bus only lanes in Chinatown are ignored.
7) Cops. Don't know bike laws/don't like cyclists. Blame most accidents on cyclists,hate taking stolen bike reports. Even a local cop admits this is true.
8) Hills. I live at Cathedral. I'll never ride fixed in this town.
Shame really,since bikes are the only way to get through traffic and parking them is so easy.
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MEMPHIS, TN . I'm convinced that the majority of people of the greater metro Memphis area do not believe a bicycle can share the road with an automobile. Drivers here suck. First of all, bike lanes here are non-existant. There is zero bike awareness or the potential of progressing in this direction. SUV's, big pick-ups, and aggresive multi-tasking drivers create a extemely dangerous environment. I have lived here for a year and a half and realize more and more that Memphis doesn't get it nor wants to. For being a large metropolitan city, it is quite disturbing to see that there is zero effort to encourage people to use any other form of transportation other than a car. When the obesity rates here are off the charts and traffic congestion is a constant struggle, one would think with the developement of a little bike infrastructure, there would be the possibility of great positive changes for the city and its health. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
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Today, I had an officer from the King County Sheriff's dept inform me that I can't ride on the road. WTF? I ignored him as he was stuck directing traffic and rode on.
I worry more about low visibility in the rain. Even taking out the people who would intentionally make your life difficult, in rainy conditions many people can't see very well and won't see you no matter what. Everybody speeds, no shoulders, urban battle, but doable.
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I'll pipe up... It's bad here. very few bike lanes and lots of impatient drivers in large SUVs. They just finished a multi-million dollar street re-modeling in Columbia in an area called 5-points. They added bike lanes on the main road - those new bike lanes are perfectly in the door zones and are frequently blocked by the beer trucks delivering to the bars.
I havent seen a South Carolina resident pipe up
I spend time there and the drivers look Florida bad but they
dont provide lanes or even minimal concessions like FL does
We looked at properties in a few areas and nixed it due to the
car based infrastructure and angry drivers.
I spend time there and the drivers look Florida bad but they
dont provide lanes or even minimal concessions like FL does
We looked at properties in a few areas and nixed it due to the
car based infrastructure and angry drivers.
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I met a guy at the United Bicycle Institute from Atlanta, a fellow named Thomas. We would trade stories about bad drivers, his were always the worst. A lot of pickup drivers trying to run him off the road. Seems like a tough place to spin on two wheels.
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And you zip past them every morning on a bicycle... They're mad at their own poor choices, and misdirect that anger toward you.
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With everyone piling on Detroit, I have to voice my disagreement. I ride in Detroit at least twice a week. Actual riding in the city is very good - wide streets with no bike lanes (which I prefer). The roads are in passable condition although certainly they need some fixing up as do all of the Michigan roads. You can commute in Detroit on decent minimally traveled roads without much hassle from drivers. The only problems you get in Detroit are from the suburbanite drivers coming into the city. They, not the city residents, are who you should fear.
For that reason, I submit that the worst commuting cities are the suburban detroit cities like Mt. Clemens, Taylor, Wyandotte, Roseville, and Harrison Twp. It's when you get into Macomb County or downriver that you get all the redneck pieces of **** in their SUVs and pickups (stereotypical I realize) who scream get off the road or swerve to try to intimidate bikers. Suburban detroit riding is the absolute worst. Unfortunately, these morons also drive in Detroit.
I live in the burbs (grosse pointe) and I have honestly never had one problem with detroiters. In fact, I get all my "go lance" cheers, and waves in Detroit. Detroiters are way, way more friendly than you give them credit for.
I make this offer. On Saturdays we ride from Grosse Pointe to downtown detroit and belle isle and back. On Sundays, we ride out into Macomb County. Ride both rides with me, and tell me whether you still feel detroit is the worst city to ride in.
For that reason, I submit that the worst commuting cities are the suburban detroit cities like Mt. Clemens, Taylor, Wyandotte, Roseville, and Harrison Twp. It's when you get into Macomb County or downriver that you get all the redneck pieces of **** in their SUVs and pickups (stereotypical I realize) who scream get off the road or swerve to try to intimidate bikers. Suburban detroit riding is the absolute worst. Unfortunately, these morons also drive in Detroit.
I live in the burbs (grosse pointe) and I have honestly never had one problem with detroiters. In fact, I get all my "go lance" cheers, and waves in Detroit. Detroiters are way, way more friendly than you give them credit for.
I make this offer. On Saturdays we ride from Grosse Pointe to downtown detroit and belle isle and back. On Sundays, we ride out into Macomb County. Ride both rides with me, and tell me whether you still feel detroit is the worst city to ride in.
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I haven't been in other places to compare, but here in the Dallas area, the roads are very poorly laid out for biking. Many major roads have fast traffic, no shoulder, sidewalks not rideable, but if you try to go through the side-streets, you can't get from one subdivision to the next. It's kind of funny, but sad. There are a few bike trails around, mainly for entertainment, but so much more could be done.
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I don't think that Little Rock is absolutely the worst, but its below mediocre.
Steep hills, narrow potholed streets and drivers who have no clue that a bicycle actually belongs on the highway and have no hesitation in saying so make it pretty daunting.
I hear a lot of people criticising Florida, and since I cut my teeth riding on Florida roads,(yes I still had baby teeth when I tackled Highway 41 the Tamiami Trail) that was kind of my standard for bicycling conditions. Little Rock is right about there, but hillier. It makes La Quinta seem like heaven.
Steep hills, narrow potholed streets and drivers who have no clue that a bicycle actually belongs on the highway and have no hesitation in saying so make it pretty daunting.
I hear a lot of people criticising Florida, and since I cut my teeth riding on Florida roads,(yes I still had baby teeth when I tackled Highway 41 the Tamiami Trail) that was kind of my standard for bicycling conditions. Little Rock is right about there, but hillier. It makes La Quinta seem like heaven.
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L.A....8 million people,half of them going to work in the morning,most of those can't drive or don't pay attention to the lights and signs.
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Then melt the vehicles down into ingots.
It's not like anyone's going to miss them anyway.
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Maybe you guys have noticed this too, but here it seems like drivers get progressively worse each month. I keep wondering what the breaking point will be, because there's no way you can keep becoming more careless and not eventually have hundreds of accidents all the time. As a matter of fact, on the weekends it seems that I can hear sirens almost constantly, so maybe the breaking point is here!
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Anything you can do to help the cars get around you will add to your visibility and safety. Being well lit (not drunk hee hee) with a mirror helps...watching and waiving the drivers to pass also cuts back on the road rage esp. if there's a long line of cars. When the first monkey passes, the rest do OK also. Best wishes on a safe commute.
Hehehe...that is my commute. I ride from Issaquah to Kirkland most days which takes me through a lot of Bellevue. Drivers here have a special hostility towards cyclists. Where their anger comes from I have no idea. The downside is that it mandates I be more aggressive in taking space which escalates the hostility.
Today, I had an officer from the King County Sheriff's dept inform me that I can't ride on the road. WTF? I ignored him as he was stuck directing traffic and rode on.
I worry more about low visibility in the rain. Even taking out the people who would intentionally make your life difficult, in rainy conditions many people can't see very well and won't see you no matter what. Everybody speeds, no shoulders, urban battle, but doable.
Today, I had an officer from the King County Sheriff's dept inform me that I can't ride on the road. WTF? I ignored him as he was stuck directing traffic and rode on.
I worry more about low visibility in the rain. Even taking out the people who would intentionally make your life difficult, in rainy conditions many people can't see very well and won't see you no matter what. Everybody speeds, no shoulders, urban battle, but doable.
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Beaver County, PA.
Zero support for bicycling. Very few adults ride bikes and cars are not expecting to see you therefore you are invisible. No berms on most roads. All the roads are winding rural routes with hills and blind corners. There are big trucks as well as cars and everyone is speeding.
About a month ago a bycilist was killed about seven miles from my house on a road I ride occasionally. There was one paragraph in the police/fire section of the paper and that was it. No name, no details, infact I can't even find any inforamation at all now. Nobody cares because any adult who rides a bike is a crazy weirdo.
I'm certain I will be hit at some point if I continue ride, especially on my road bike. Hopefully I won't be hurt badly.
Edit: One more thing, I was 90 miles into my first century (riding solo and unsupported) when I had to stop and take one shoe off for a few minutes because my feet were swelling. I laid the bike down and sat on the pavement on the side of the road near a golf course. Now what would you do if you saw a guy with a nice road bike laid down, sitting there in the gravel on the side of a rural road as the occasional car wizzed past at 55mph?
Several people were golfing about 30 yards away and several car passed. I didn't even get a single, "You alright?" It's a good thing I wasn't having any serious problems, because I could have laid down and died and I don't think anyone would have even helped.
Around here you are 100% on your own.
Zero support for bicycling. Very few adults ride bikes and cars are not expecting to see you therefore you are invisible. No berms on most roads. All the roads are winding rural routes with hills and blind corners. There are big trucks as well as cars and everyone is speeding.
About a month ago a bycilist was killed about seven miles from my house on a road I ride occasionally. There was one paragraph in the police/fire section of the paper and that was it. No name, no details, infact I can't even find any inforamation at all now. Nobody cares because any adult who rides a bike is a crazy weirdo.
I'm certain I will be hit at some point if I continue ride, especially on my road bike. Hopefully I won't be hurt badly.
Edit: One more thing, I was 90 miles into my first century (riding solo and unsupported) when I had to stop and take one shoe off for a few minutes because my feet were swelling. I laid the bike down and sat on the pavement on the side of the road near a golf course. Now what would you do if you saw a guy with a nice road bike laid down, sitting there in the gravel on the side of a rural road as the occasional car wizzed past at 55mph?
Several people were golfing about 30 yards away and several car passed. I didn't even get a single, "You alright?" It's a good thing I wasn't having any serious problems, because I could have laid down and died and I don't think anyone would have even helped.
Around here you are 100% on your own.
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I've driven through Bellevue before, never tried riding it yet. The drivers are quite rude, honking at everybody else for no reason. I've had someone run a stop sign on me at Factoria and the guy behind me honked at me as if it was MY fault someone else ran the stop sign
Then when this same jerk followed me into the Factoria Mall parking lot, he honked me again for turning into a parking space before he could. Hello? I was in front
CliftonGK1's post sure explains a lot of it to me...looked like this guy's car was a shiny new red sports car
However, Bellevue isn't really that bad when it comes to traffic, if you compare it to where I'm from (SoCal).
Then when this same jerk followed me into the Factoria Mall parking lot, he honked me again for turning into a parking space before he could. Hello? I was in front
CliftonGK1's post sure explains a lot of it to me...looked like this guy's car was a shiny new red sports car
However, Bellevue isn't really that bad when it comes to traffic, if you compare it to where I'm from (SoCal).
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I'm gonna have to tag Florida. I was in the Tampa/St.Petersburg/Clearwater area.
That area is the reason I NEVER commuted until now (that I live in Bellevue, WA). Hardly any bike lanes, very few shoulders, crazy traffic, aggressive drivers, dumbass rednecks who think bikers do NOT belong on the roads, etc.....
I wanted to, but never had the nerve to commute when I lived in Clearwater. Both places I lived in were less than 10 miles from work, but there was NO route I could take that didn't put me on nasty busy roads with no shoulder or bike lanes. It seemed like I was hearing stories every week about some cyclist in the area being hit by a car.
I remember when I first started BF, somebody in A&S found a list of worst cities for cyclists due to car/bike accidents in the U.S. If I recall correctly, Tampabay was either ranked #1 or at least in the top 10 for worst cities.
That area is the reason I NEVER commuted until now (that I live in Bellevue, WA). Hardly any bike lanes, very few shoulders, crazy traffic, aggressive drivers, dumbass rednecks who think bikers do NOT belong on the roads, etc.....
I wanted to, but never had the nerve to commute when I lived in Clearwater. Both places I lived in were less than 10 miles from work, but there was NO route I could take that didn't put me on nasty busy roads with no shoulder or bike lanes. It seemed like I was hearing stories every week about some cyclist in the area being hit by a car.
I remember when I first started BF, somebody in A&S found a list of worst cities for cyclists due to car/bike accidents in the U.S. If I recall correctly, Tampabay was either ranked #1 or at least in the top 10 for worst cities.
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It's all relative.
Recently (6 months ago) moving here from Tampabay in Florida, I feel like Bellevue is a dream by comparison. Drivers are so much nicer, traffic is not as bad (probably because speed limits are much lower), etc......
I guess it's all a matter of comparison.
Recently (6 months ago) moving here from Tampabay in Florida, I feel like Bellevue is a dream by comparison. Drivers are so much nicer, traffic is not as bad (probably because speed limits are much lower), etc......
I guess it's all a matter of comparison.
I've driven through Bellevue before, never tried riding it yet. The drivers are quite rude, honking at everybody else for no reason. I've had someone run a stop sign on me at Factoria and the guy behind me honked at me as if it was MY fault someone else ran the stop sign
Then when this same jerk followed me into the Factoria Mall parking lot, he honked me again for turning into a parking space before he could. Hello? I was in front
CliftonGK1's post sure explains a lot of it to me...looked like this guy's car was a shiny new red sports car
However, Bellevue isn't really that bad when it comes to traffic, if you compare it to where I'm from (SoCal).
Then when this same jerk followed me into the Factoria Mall parking lot, he honked me again for turning into a parking space before he could. Hello? I was in front
CliftonGK1's post sure explains a lot of it to me...looked like this guy's car was a shiny new red sports car
However, Bellevue isn't really that bad when it comes to traffic, if you compare it to where I'm from (SoCal).
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I have to concur. Houston is one of the worst car cities in the country (probably right behind LA). The mantra here is, "Man, Wife and 2.3 SUV's per family". Every other person here drives a 4 door truck. Most folks own at least one gun. Public transportation is almost non existant except in the inner city. Unfortunately, most of the 4 million people here live in the ever growing suburbs. The bike lanes here are rare indeed, and the ones that do exist are useless...basically the occassional 1/4 mile bike lane to no where. And the traffic on most nonresidential roadways drives at 45mph or above....sometimes way above.
But the thing that makes it so bad here...and I suspect this is the problem most everywhere....is the driver's attitudes toward cyclists. They just don't believe we have any right on the road. How dare we delay them by 5 seconds. Of course, the kicker is, there are red lights every 200 yards. So even if they have to slow down a bit to get around a cyclist, they still end up stopping at the same light just up the road, meaning they don't get to their destination any faster. WHY WON'T THEY REALIZE THIS???
One thing I've noticed, drivers (everwhere) would rather swerve into another lane without really looking than slow down, even a little bit.
And let's not forget the wonderful heat and humidity we have. It was 90 every day up until just last week, when we finally got a decent cool front.
But all that being said, I've still managed to commute for the last 4 years by bike. I try to ride smart and don't let myself get put in harms way. I don't take risks and I don't assume the cagers will give me the right of way, even when it's mine. I obey all traffic laws and ride as predictably as I can.
And everyone I know thinks I'm crazy for commuting by bike. They are sure I will meet an untimely demise. I am sure they will die first of a heart attack from chronic couch potato-ness.
But the thing that makes it so bad here...and I suspect this is the problem most everywhere....is the driver's attitudes toward cyclists. They just don't believe we have any right on the road. How dare we delay them by 5 seconds. Of course, the kicker is, there are red lights every 200 yards. So even if they have to slow down a bit to get around a cyclist, they still end up stopping at the same light just up the road, meaning they don't get to their destination any faster. WHY WON'T THEY REALIZE THIS???
One thing I've noticed, drivers (everwhere) would rather swerve into another lane without really looking than slow down, even a little bit.
And let's not forget the wonderful heat and humidity we have. It was 90 every day up until just last week, when we finally got a decent cool front.
But all that being said, I've still managed to commute for the last 4 years by bike. I try to ride smart and don't let myself get put in harms way. I don't take risks and I don't assume the cagers will give me the right of way, even when it's mine. I obey all traffic laws and ride as predictably as I can.
And everyone I know thinks I'm crazy for commuting by bike. They are sure I will meet an untimely demise. I am sure they will die first of a heart attack from chronic couch potato-ness.
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+1. Maybe not the worst, but the city was definitely built for cars.