Thoughts on Shimano Sora Groupset for a New Bike
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OP, I suspect the dealer is having trouble with supply and that's their current options. Sora really isn't that good at all, I managed to score a Diamondback new int he box for 150 with Sora on it, I tossed the shifters. The quality of shifting was just lacking, as someone else mentioned the tech trickles down but the quality doesn't always. Up until the 4700 series I avoided Tiagra but with the current series the quality has actually trickled down and its totally worth getting but I still wouldn't go lower than that.
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Thanks aliasfox; having never ridden anything with more than a 9 speed cassette I guess what I really want to know is will I appreciate the extra $650 spent on a 105 equipped bike versus the same frame equipped with Sora. That is a question only I can answer but sinsce I can only buy one bike I guess I’ll never quite know for sure. Will I say “Wow! This is the best $600 I ever spent” or will it be more like “Well this is better but not $600 better”
As far as what is available locally right now the answer is not much but stuff is coming in. A shop has a 105 equipped Specialized but it is not a bike I want. Same shop has a Cannondale Synapse with Tiagra.
As someone who could loose 20 pounds I can’t use a weight savings argument. I have been taking note of the gears I use to climb on the routes I ride and the hardest climb I do at 29 gear inches, most other hills it’s 40. An 11-30 with the compact gets me down to 30 so that is right there on the edge with no wiggle room for my toughest climb. I think I will draw the line at 32 for the big cog and nothing smaller.
Once I’m out there pedaling and the heart rate is up I’ll probably be happy no matter what I end up with and probably have a week or two of buyers remorse too, that’s normal when I spend over $1,000 on anything.
As far as what is available locally right now the answer is not much but stuff is coming in. A shop has a 105 equipped Specialized but it is not a bike I want. Same shop has a Cannondale Synapse with Tiagra.
As someone who could loose 20 pounds I can’t use a weight savings argument. I have been taking note of the gears I use to climb on the routes I ride and the hardest climb I do at 29 gear inches, most other hills it’s 40. An 11-30 with the compact gets me down to 30 so that is right there on the edge with no wiggle room for my toughest climb. I think I will draw the line at 32 for the big cog and nothing smaller.
Once I’m out there pedaling and the heart rate is up I’ll probably be happy no matter what I end up with and probably have a week or two of buyers remorse too, that’s normal when I spend over $1,000 on anything.
For $650 more, I would get the 105 equipped bike for a few reasons: the tolerances on the forging and machining will be better, individual components will be stiffer, and the usability will be just that little bit better. I also get the impression that 105 is basically designed as a professional-level training groupset: it has 90-95% of the functionality and feel of Dura-Ace, without most of the extreme weight saving measures that may compromise Dura-Ace durability (titanium cassette, IIRC). Additionally, starting at 105 means you could upgrade to R8000 or R9000 level components piecemeal as your budget allows - there'd be no way to do that with Sora, as there's no inter-compatibility between Sora 9-speed and anything remotely recent.
The 105 level bike is likely to come with nicer wheels, and definitely check the brakes: I'd be surprised if a Sora bike came with Sora brakes, and would be less surprised if a 105 bike came with 105 brakes - they could both come with Tektro gear, which would make things more of a wash. Less likely, but still possible, as that you may end up with nicer cockpit components, too - the Sora bike will likely have an entry level or no-name alloy seatpost and cushier seat, the 105 bike may have a lighter alloy post, or even a carbon one, with a more performance oriented saddle.
With the weight argument: 18 months ago, I went to the gym for a 4-6 mile run, 4-5 times a week. That transitioned to running outside when COVID hit, to cycling in Manhattan when the city opened up again, to... nothing in winter. I'm now 8 lbs more than when the crap hit the fan, and even then I was probably 10 lbs more than I ought to be. But you know what? I can still feel the difference between my ~20.5 lbs Lynskey and my ~18 lbs Cannondale. Is the difference worth it from a performance perspective? Probably not. But I 'feel' like the Lynskey holds her speed better on flats, and the Cannondale 'seems' to jump more when I accelerate.
I guess at the end of the day, I would recommend trying out what's in stock, and buying what speaks to you. When I was looking for my first road bike, I started looking at aluminum bikes with carbon seatstays. None of them impressed me. Then I tried a steel road bike, and was immediately smitten. Sometimes discussion and research just has to give way to what you want. Except for that 32-tooth cog - if you need that, you need that ;-)
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On the plus side, cost and (these days) availability of 9-speed parts for Sora is likely to be much better than the newer 11 speed stuff.
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Thanks aliasfox; having never ridden anything with more than a 9 speed cassette I guess what I really want to know is will I appreciate the extra $650 spent on a 105 equipped bike versus the same frame equipped with Sora. That is a question only I can answer but sinsce I can only buy one bike I guess I’ll never quite know for sure. Will I say “Wow! This is the best $600 I ever spent” or will it be more like “Well this is better but not $600 better”
I will say though that I like the 105 equipped bike more, but it also cost three times as much and is fitted with carbon wheels and some other goodies.
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Since I have a Sora bike and a 105 bike, both the same 2020 model year bought about 3 months apart, I can tell you that when riding the Sora bike I never have a feeling of missing the 11-speed cassette. I tend to ride both about equally depending on where I am riding.
I will say though that I like the 105 equipped bike more, but it also cost three times as much and is fitted with carbon wheels and some other goodies.
I will say though that I like the 105 equipped bike more, but it also cost three times as much and is fitted with carbon wheels and some other goodies.
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On mine it does, but it's a flat bar.
On a drop bar, it's a regular brifter: Amazon.com: Shimano Sora R3000 9-Speed Right STI Lever : Everything Else
On a drop bar, it's a regular brifter: Amazon.com: Shimano Sora R3000 9-Speed Right STI Lever : Everything Else
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Since I have a Sora bike and a 105 bike, both the same 2020 model year bought about 3 months apart, I can tell you that when riding the Sora bike I never have a feeling of missing the 11-speed cassette. I tend to ride both about equally depending on where I am riding.
I will say though that I like the 105 equipped bike more, but it also cost three times as much and is fitted with carbon wheels and some other goodies.
I will say though that I like the 105 equipped bike more, but it also cost three times as much and is fitted with carbon wheels and some other goodies.
I looked at used like others have suggested but around here I haven't seen any bargains as far as what I'm looking for.
As far as finding new I'll have to keep my eyes and ears open because there are not many of those around either.
Thanks to all for the responses, I found all the information useful.
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Having started riding more the past two years I have gotten to the point I want a new bike more suitable for longer road rides. I have been riding a couple of bikes with 3x9 Shimano MTB gearing and even an old Fuji Marlboro folding bike that was fitted with a 42-32-22 crankset with the original 14-28 freewheel. My 2007 Fuji Touring is the closest thing to a road bike but I put a 44-32-22 crankset on that for climbing ability so I really want a faster bike but don’t want to spend a fortune. I am thinking entry level endurance bikes with a compact crank and 11-32 or 11-34 cassette in a 9 speed Shimano Sora groupset.
Bike shops want me to go up to the 105 groupset. I am very happy with the 9 speeds I have and don’t see the need for 11 and don’t want to spend the extra $ for 2 extra cogs between the 11 and 32 in the rear. They also claim better overall quality but I wonder if I would appreciate it enough to justify the cost.
I ride mostly for fun and exercise, mostly alone and half my rides are 40 miles long or a little longer. This year should hit 4,000 miles but this is not going to be the norm going forward, probably 2,000 or so will be the average yearly total. I am looking for a dependable, comfortable, and faster bike than what I currently ride. Not worrying about a few seconds here and there just getting the job done.
Any input especially from riders who have ridden various Shimano groupsets from the bottom to the top of the range. Am I kidding myself thinking I will be happy with yet another 9 speed?
Bike shops want me to go up to the 105 groupset. I am very happy with the 9 speeds I have and don’t see the need for 11 and don’t want to spend the extra $ for 2 extra cogs between the 11 and 32 in the rear. They also claim better overall quality but I wonder if I would appreciate it enough to justify the cost.
I ride mostly for fun and exercise, mostly alone and half my rides are 40 miles long or a little longer. This year should hit 4,000 miles but this is not going to be the norm going forward, probably 2,000 or so will be the average yearly total. I am looking for a dependable, comfortable, and faster bike than what I currently ride. Not worrying about a few seconds here and there just getting the job done.
Any input especially from riders who have ridden various Shimano groupsets from the bottom to the top of the range. Am I kidding myself thinking I will be happy with yet another 9 speed?
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I have a 2016 Domane 4.0 Disc with 9 speed Sora and a 2014 Trek Madone 3.1 with Tiagra FD and 105 RD stock from factory; it is 10 speed with rim brakes.
I like the Domane better and have no problem with the Sora. However, I am 70 years old any run out of gears on hills; I don't stand and pedal. I likely will upgrade the Sora groupset to 105 on the Domane not because I am not satisfied with its operation, but rather because I would like a few more gears to keep everything trimmed and burning.
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I like the Domane better and have no problem with the Sora. However, I am 70 years old any run out of gears on hills; I don't stand and pedal. I likely will upgrade the Sora groupset to 105 on the Domane not because I am not satisfied with its operation, but rather because I would like a few more gears to keep everything trimmed and burning.
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I have a 2016 Domane 4.0 Disc with 9 speed Sora and a 2014 Trek Madone 3.1 with Tiagra FD and 105 RD stock from factory; it is 10 speed with rim brakes.
I like the Domane better and have no problem with the Sora. However, I am 70 years old any run out of gears on hills; I don't stand and pedal. I likely will upgrade the Sora groupset to 105 on the Domane not because I am not satisfied with its operation, but rather because I would like a few more gears to keep everything trimmed and burning.
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I like the Domane better and have no problem with the Sora. However, I am 70 years old any run out of gears on hills; I don't stand and pedal. I likely will upgrade the Sora groupset to 105 on the Domane not because I am not satisfied with its operation, but rather because I would like a few more gears to keep everything trimmed and burning.
Mike
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I bought two bikes last year, both new. One has a Sora drive train, the other 105. Both have hydraulic brakes. Other than the two cogs, the Sora group works really well. The 105 feels just a bit more precise. My wife rides a Tiagra bike, and she is just as happy with it as I am the 105.
If the cost difference is not an issue, I'd get the 105 bike. If you're hesitant to spend the money, get the Sora. You'll enjoy it just as much.
If the cost difference is not an issue, I'd get the 105 bike. If you're hesitant to spend the money, get the Sora. You'll enjoy it just as much.
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My daughter has a Raleigh Pro Race that's fitted with 9-speed Sora. The brifters are the normal two lever system, like Tiagra, 105, etc - I think the thumb button was fitted on 8-speed, but not the 9-speed brifters.
Quality and function wise, the Sora system is pretty good and works well. In several years and a few thousand miles of use I've not had to make any repairs apart from a cable and the occasional adjustment. I've got 9-speed Tiagra on one of my C&V bikes that I use as a commuter, and I couldn't honestly say there's any noticeable difference between the Sora and Tiagra set ups.
Are 9 sprockets enough? They do work very well for me on a combination of commuting, club rides, Audaxes, and the occasional sportive, although with a few C&V bikes I very often do the same type of rides on 5, 10, or 12 speed bikes.
I think if you're happy with a 9 sprocket set up then Sora will work very well for you, especially if the price is right.
Quality and function wise, the Sora system is pretty good and works well. In several years and a few thousand miles of use I've not had to make any repairs apart from a cable and the occasional adjustment. I've got 9-speed Tiagra on one of my C&V bikes that I use as a commuter, and I couldn't honestly say there's any noticeable difference between the Sora and Tiagra set ups.
Are 9 sprockets enough? They do work very well for me on a combination of commuting, club rides, Audaxes, and the occasional sportive, although with a few C&V bikes I very often do the same type of rides on 5, 10, or 12 speed bikes.
I think if you're happy with a 9 sprocket set up then Sora will work very well for you, especially if the price is right.
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My daughter has a Raleigh Pro Race that's fitted with 9-speed Sora. The brifters are the normal two lever system, like Tiagra, 105, etc - I think the thumb button was fitted on 8-speed, but not the 9-speed brifters.
Quality and function wise, the Sora system is pretty good and works well. In several years and a few thousand miles of use I've not had to make any repairs apart from a cable and the occasional adjustment. I've got 9-speed Tiagra on one of my C&V bikes that I use as a commuter, and I couldn't honestly say there's any noticeable difference between the Sora and Tiagra set ups.
Are 9 sprockets enough? They do work very well for me on a combination of commuting, club rides, Audaxes, and the occasional sportive, although with a few C&V bikes I very often do the same type of rides on 5, 10, or 12 speed bikes.
I think if you're happy with a 9 sprocket set up then Sora will work very well for you, especially if the price is right.
Quality and function wise, the Sora system is pretty good and works well. In several years and a few thousand miles of use I've not had to make any repairs apart from a cable and the occasional adjustment. I've got 9-speed Tiagra on one of my C&V bikes that I use as a commuter, and I couldn't honestly say there's any noticeable difference between the Sora and Tiagra set ups.
Are 9 sprockets enough? They do work very well for me on a combination of commuting, club rides, Audaxes, and the occasional sportive, although with a few C&V bikes I very often do the same type of rides on 5, 10, or 12 speed bikes.
I think if you're happy with a 9 sprocket set up then Sora will work very well for you, especially if the price is right.
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I agree that the Decathlon bike is a good value in today's market conditions.
I bought a Sora-equipped bike for my wife and 'tested' it for 600 km. I normally use 105 and Tiagra fitted bikes, and I think the current Sora groupset is just fine. The only noticeable difference based on my experience is that Tiagra and 105 feel just a bit tight and quick when shifting. I'm not an expert but maybe the narrower chain also helps Tiagra and 105.
Considering the longevity of 9-speed chains compared to narrower 10 and 11-speed chains, a Sora groupset might be the best option for cost-effectiveness in terms of maintenance. I'm thinking of building a Sora-equipped commuting bike after seeing how fine it performs.
I bought a Sora-equipped bike for my wife and 'tested' it for 600 km. I normally use 105 and Tiagra fitted bikes, and I think the current Sora groupset is just fine. The only noticeable difference based on my experience is that Tiagra and 105 feel just a bit tight and quick when shifting. I'm not an expert but maybe the narrower chain also helps Tiagra and 105.
Considering the longevity of 9-speed chains compared to narrower 10 and 11-speed chains, a Sora groupset might be the best option for cost-effectiveness in terms of maintenance. I'm thinking of building a Sora-equipped commuting bike after seeing how fine it performs.
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I agree that the Decathlon bike is a good value in today's market conditions.
I bought a Sora-equipped bike for my wife and 'tested' it for 600 km. I normally use 105 and Tiagra fitted bikes, and I think the current Sora groupset is just fine. The only noticeable difference based on my experience is that Tiagra and 105 feel just a bit tight and quick when shifting. I'm not an expert but maybe the narrower chain also helps Tiagra and 105.
Considering the longevity of 9-speed chains compared to narrower 10 and 11-speed chains, a Sora groupset might be the best option for cost-effectiveness in terms of maintenance. I'm thinking of building a Sora-equipped commuting bike after seeing how fine it performs.
I bought a Sora-equipped bike for my wife and 'tested' it for 600 km. I normally use 105 and Tiagra fitted bikes, and I think the current Sora groupset is just fine. The only noticeable difference based on my experience is that Tiagra and 105 feel just a bit tight and quick when shifting. I'm not an expert but maybe the narrower chain also helps Tiagra and 105.
Considering the longevity of 9-speed chains compared to narrower 10 and 11-speed chains, a Sora groupset might be the best option for cost-effectiveness in terms of maintenance. I'm thinking of building a Sora-equipped commuting bike after seeing how fine it performs.
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I am happy with it. It suits my need for an affordable bike and the high stack was something I wanted, something comfortable for a "mature" rider i.e. older person.
I would caution about the tires and wheels. There is a lot posted about the tires being impossible to change. They are not impossible but extremely difficult. A week ago after putting 1,500 miles on it I had a puncture flat on a group ride. It took two of us over 30 minutes to change a tube. The wire bead tire is a tight fit! We had to lever it on. When I got back home I installed an old Kenda tire I had sitting around that was always an easy fit and it went on with little problem so I believe the issue lies in the tires and not the wheels. Anyway I installed some used DT Swiss wheels, R500 rims, nice and wide with some 32mm tires. I planned on this for a while and am glad I did it. The wider tires at lower pressure made a big difference in ride comfort. I plan on riding it thousands more miles.
I would caution about the tires and wheels. There is a lot posted about the tires being impossible to change. They are not impossible but extremely difficult. A week ago after putting 1,500 miles on it I had a puncture flat on a group ride. It took two of us over 30 minutes to change a tube. The wire bead tire is a tight fit! We had to lever it on. When I got back home I installed an old Kenda tire I had sitting around that was always an easy fit and it went on with little problem so I believe the issue lies in the tires and not the wheels. Anyway I installed some used DT Swiss wheels, R500 rims, nice and wide with some 32mm tires. I planned on this for a while and am glad I did it. The wider tires at lower pressure made a big difference in ride comfort. I plan on riding it thousands more miles.
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I just built up a budget conscious bike using Sora 2x9 with flat bar shifters and it's excellent. Smooth, precise and the left shifter has a trim setting.
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I am happy with it. It suits my need for an affordable bike and the high stack was something I wanted, something comfortable for a "mature" rider i.e. older person.
I would caution about the tires and wheels. There is a lot posted about the tires being impossible to change. They are not impossible but extremely difficult. A week ago after putting 1,500 miles on it I had a puncture flat on a group ride. It took two of us over 30 minutes to change a tube. The wire bead tire is a tight fit! We had to lever it on. When I got back home I installed an old Kenda tire I had sitting around that was always an easy fit and it went on with little problem so I believe the issue lies in the tires and not the wheels. Anyway I installed some used DT Swiss wheels, R500 rims, nice and wide with some 32mm tires. I planned on this for a while and am glad I did it. The wider tires at lower pressure made a big difference in ride comfort. I plan on riding it thousands more miles.
I would caution about the tires and wheels. There is a lot posted about the tires being impossible to change. They are not impossible but extremely difficult. A week ago after putting 1,500 miles on it I had a puncture flat on a group ride. It took two of us over 30 minutes to change a tube. The wire bead tire is a tight fit! We had to lever it on. When I got back home I installed an old Kenda tire I had sitting around that was always an easy fit and it went on with little problem so I believe the issue lies in the tires and not the wheels. Anyway I installed some used DT Swiss wheels, R500 rims, nice and wide with some 32mm tires. I planned on this for a while and am glad I did it. The wider tires at lower pressure made a big difference in ride comfort. I plan on riding it thousands more miles.
Glad you liked yours, and for the tires, you are right a lot of people have changed them after some use.