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need help with identifying this bike
hey guys , i need some help to identify this bike . Its my dad his old bike and i dont know what brand or what year it is . Maybe someone can help me with that to find some information , Or find a picture from it how the bike was . Because i want to restore him like he was as a surprise for his birthday .
greetz joris
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Pictures of the lugs (Areas where the tubes connect) and any stamped numbers. Plus the drop-outs, (Where you put the wheels in).
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Whatever it is, I like it a lot.
In addition to the requested closeup shots, please provide dimensions, including bottom bracket shell width (68 vs 70mm), bottom bracket cup diameter/threading (1.375x24, 36x24, 35x1), seat tube diameter (28.0 vs 1-1/8" = 28.6mm), and seat post diameter (27.2mm on a 28.6mm tube, or 26.4 on a 28.0mm tube, if you are lucky).
In addition to the requested closeup shots, please provide dimensions, including bottom bracket shell width (68 vs 70mm), bottom bracket cup diameter/threading (1.375x24, 36x24, 35x1), seat tube diameter (28.0 vs 1-1/8" = 28.6mm), and seat post diameter (27.2mm on a 28.6mm tube, or 26.4 on a 28.0mm tube, if you are lucky).
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looks cool. French, perhaps?
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Holy moly....
EDIT: Is that a cyclocross bike? If not, why isn't it?
EDIT: Is that a cyclocross bike? If not, why isn't it?
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hey guys , i need some help to identify this bike . Its my dad his old bike and i dont know what brand or what year it is . Maybe someone can help me with that to find some information , Or find a picture from it how the bike was . Because i want to restore him like he was as a surprise for his birthday .
greetz joris
greetz joris
I second the suggestions above: close-ups, measurements, numbers, the works.
How much time have we got, until your dad's birthday?
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Hello Joris, welcome to Bikeforums! That is a nice-looking bike and a great plan. From the pictures you've provided it's not easy to identify the bike. Based on what I'm seeing I guess it's a well-made cyclocross bike, that has possibly been repainted. The decals look like generic replacements. Nice selection of parts: MAFAC brakes, Campagnolo NR derailleurs, Sugino crankset, tubular tires. My kind of build.
I second the suggestions above: close-ups, measurements, numbers, the works.
How much time have we got, until your dad's birthday?
I second the suggestions above: close-ups, measurements, numbers, the works.
How much time have we got, until your dad's birthday?
thanks guys for helping me and all the info . in 1 year my dad will turn 60 and want to surprise him with his old bike looking just like new but if i will not making until then its doesnt matter . i just want to make him happy with it . i dont think that he is repainted . i think this grey is the original color , the brown shine you see is rust on many places. i think he is quiet original but hope to find his originality and brand . here are some more picture's that i asked to my sister . the bike is standing now at her place . next week i will take him home so if you need more picture's about something just ask
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Quaint and terrific bike. Looks like Simplex skewers (rear one broken). Close enough to my size to be desirable, even at a distance. I would just clean up the frame and wax it, leaving the finish alone otherwise. Overhaul the remainder, of course.
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This sounds like a noble project and a great bike to work on.
My only concern is in picture 3 in your second post - is the lug connecting the down tube to the head tube cracked?
My only concern is in picture 3 in your second post - is the lug connecting the down tube to the head tube cracked?
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@Pino, when you get the bike, look at the back of the rear derailleur (in your first photo). You'll see something like "PAT 73" engraved on it. That's the date of the derailleur, and likely the date of the bike.
The frame was made for bar end shifters (the cable stops in the third photo prove this).
When you get the bike, I suggest you apply some penetrating oil to all the rusty bolts, and let it seep in for a while before you try to loosen anything.
Is this a surprise for your father? If so, do you expect he's going to ride the bike? If so, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to change the wheels to clincher rims.
The frame was made for bar end shifters (the cable stops in the third photo prove this).
When you get the bike, I suggest you apply some penetrating oil to all the rusty bolts, and let it seep in for a while before you try to loosen anything.
Is this a surprise for your father? If so, do you expect he's going to ride the bike? If so, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to change the wheels to clincher rims.
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thanks guys for helping me and all the info . in 1 year my dad will turn 60 and want to surprise him with his old bike looking just like new but if i will not making until then its doesnt matter . i just want to make him happy with it . i dont think that he is repainted . i think this grey is the original color , the brown shine you see is rust on many places. i think he is quiet original but hope to find his originality and brand . here are some more picture's that i asked to my sister . the bike is standing now at her place . next week i will take him home so if you need more picture's about something just ask
Like others have mentioned, the original cable stops have been partly removed, which is a shame. They would have looked like this:
I'd start by cleaning the bike, remove the dust and grime with a soft brush and a soapy solution (like you would use for dish washing). Then soak the nuts and bolts in WD40 or something similar for a few days before disassembling the bike.
With regard to its identity: I don't recognize it, but we have some knowledgeable countrymen of yours amongst our members. Perhaps @Munny or @CMAW would be so kind take a look?
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Looking at 70ies cross bikes for my rides in town lately, I've seen an exact match for this bike for sale about a month ago. Sadly, a vast contingent of my brain cells migrated to my calves last year, so I can't remember what brand it was. Pretty sure it was one of these obscure Belgo-Italian names like Rubino or Borgino... in itself these don't say anything about who made the frame. AFAK the double circle cut-out in the lugs is not common though, I'm sure someone will come up with the maker sooner or later. You should definitely build it up with bar end shifters (the Shimano "fingertip control" barcons are not hard to find as almost all cross bikes had them).
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In the mid 1970's, Follis used lugs that had similar cutouts. I have a gut feeling this is a French bike. The seat stay caps are reminiscent of some upper end French bikes too.
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If people could forget the strange idea that in Belgium we wanted to mess around with the French bikes and their standards ...
This one was made in Belgium
Who knows under which name it was sold ?
Well, with the number, maybe the guy running the framing company who made the frame...
One of mine has exactly the same details, except that it is not a cyclo cross but a race bike
It was branded under the name of a well known sixties racer (actually the brand of his brother)
However the framing company, one of the belgian finest, was selling to various shops...
Or even his owned brand, a very very old belgian brand, of which I recently put back together my last bike.
As already said, the frame has been repainted and is wearing generic decalcs.
You need to put it back to steel and a new paint + correct decalcs, and various other bits, starting by campa bar-ends
This one was made in Belgium
Who knows under which name it was sold ?
Well, with the number, maybe the guy running the framing company who made the frame...
One of mine has exactly the same details, except that it is not a cyclo cross but a race bike
It was branded under the name of a well known sixties racer (actually the brand of his brother)
However the framing company, one of the belgian finest, was selling to various shops...
Or even his owned brand, a very very old belgian brand, of which I recently put back together my last bike.
As already said, the frame has been repainted and is wearing generic decalcs.
You need to put it back to steel and a new paint + correct decalcs, and various other bits, starting by campa bar-ends
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thanks very much for the clarification non-fixie!
as an old timer i can very much appreciate the "better glasses" reference.
now if only i could see the button to click on for "send"
as an old timer i can very much appreciate the "better glasses" reference.
now if only i could see the button to click on for "send"
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