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Old 06-23-22, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
How could you not know unless your legs and lungs are numb? If I want a lower gear, I shift down. If I want a higher gear, I shift up. If I can't shift either direction, then I know I'm in my lowest or highest gear. I don't need a visual indicator to explain the obvious to me.

When I'm on a MTB trail there is no time to check the chosen gear (risk of crashing) and it is mostly irrelevant to have the gear displayed. There is only one chainring so just shift the gears for the given riding conditions...by feeling

When I'm on a road bike there is no time to check gears either cruising along at 18-22 mph. Again...it's easy to feel if you are in the right gear.
So basically, you do it X way, so obviously it's correct for everyone.

Do you know if any of those statements are relevant to riding a recumbent? I'm pretty sure I don't.
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Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
You have got to be kidding. Your assumption is that the rider will not look in front of them and make sure the distance covered while looking down at their cassette, which takes about 1 second, isn't occupied by a giant pothole and/or big truck.

Maybe it's a big truck lurking in a giant pothole, just waiting to leap out at the cassette-gazing cyclist.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
So basically, you do it X way, so obviously it's correct for everyone.

Do you know if any of those statements are relevant to riding a recumbent? I'm pretty sure I don't.
I thjnk it is a knee jerk reaction for some people that when they donít have a good answer then they feel it must have been a bad question.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Apparently this was covered here 7 years ago. The overall consensus back then (like now) is by feel.

https://www.bikeforums.net/hybrid-bi...-shifters.html

Nahh, that thread OP took the opposite extreme and stupid view--that people were irrational for not wanting the indicators. It's equally stupid to tell someone they shouldn't want indicators.
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Old 06-23-22, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
I thjnk it is a knee jerk reaction for some people that when they donít have a good answer then they feel it must have been a bad question.

Nahh, I think this is more of a put-down status thing, telling people their legs are stupid or something.
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I've done a lot of city riding over my lifetime. My formative years and racing years, Boston. If you want to live long riding in Boston, you don't spend a lot of time looking at your cassette. On many streets, those looks simply don't happen. Solid lines of parked cars and potential doors with traffic on your left beside you. I got caught many times when lights changed not knowing what gear I was in. Now I was not on a recumbent so that stopped look back was easy and lifting the rear wheel to change gears not much harder.

I often found riding the fix gear and knowing exactly what my start-up was going to be kinda nice, even if some of those starts (esp uphill) were hard.
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Old 06-23-22, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Nahh, that thread OP took the opposite extreme and stupid view--that people were irrational for not wanting the indicators. It's equally stupid to tell someone they shouldn't want indicators.
And as I suggested (I think on the first page but I:m not going back to look) - a business opportunity. Invent that slick little in-line indicator that could be located anywhere on the housing. Now, if a forum member took this on, he might have to do it under another name to protect himself! Because inventing and marketing something nobody needs is far more wrong than simply asking about it and we know from this thread how wrong that is.

(Says he who adds real weight to his fix gear pedals to improve the climbing experience. Is it possible to go more wrong?)
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
So basically, you do it X way, so obviously it's correct for everyone.

Do you know if any of those statements are relevant to riding a recumbent? I'm pretty sure I don't.
Recumbent doesn't change the statements that have been made.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
You are complicating this more than it needs to be. It's a physical characteristic that you can feel with your legs and lungs. Knowing how fast you are going or how many watts you are putting down is much different than the physical feeling in your legs and lungs.
Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
How do you know you're in a good gear combination if you can't match that feeling in your legs and lungs with changes in your speed?
Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
How could you not know unless your legs and lungs are numb?
So wait, is the feeling in the legs and lungs the same as knowing your speed or is it much different? What the hell are you talking about?

Pretty sure you've complicated this so much you can't keep track of all the "you should be able to" things you've said.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Recumbent doesn't change the statements that have been made.

Nonsense.
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Regardless how this thread ends, I'm sure it has made one hit wonder Morris Albert's day.


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Old 06-23-22, 01:33 PM
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Sorry for the above post. That song just brings out the LarrySellerz in me.

Makes me want to take off my shirt and go for a ride.

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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Sorry for the above post. That song just brings out the LarrySellerz in me.

Makes me want to take off my shirt and go for a ride.

John
Shame on you - posting an utterly irrelevant song video.

On the other hand, I got your numbers and cycling content right here.

[Edited to add, since I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would make the connection: the cycling content would be that the guys in Kraftwerk were obsessed with cycling in the early '80s. For example, during their tours, they would often have their drivers drop them and their bikes up to 200 km away from the next venue, so that they could ride in.]


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Obviously when someone has to explain something it is a miss. Just like the “Feelings” song relating to riding by feel.

On an unrelated topic, it was in the low 90’s on my ride today and it felt hot.

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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post

[Edited to add, since I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would make the connection: the cycling content would be that the guys in Kraftwerk were obsessed with cycling in the early '80s.
You donít say.

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Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
You have got to be kidding. Your assumption is that the rider will not look in front of them and make sure the distance covered while looking down at their cassette, which takes about 1 second, isn't occupied by a giant pothole and/or big truck.
It has caught me off guard a few times when doing it in urban traffic conditions. The main problem was drifting ever so slightly to the left or right in that one second glance, almost getting into the path of the fast moving traffic or bumping to the rider beside me. Luckily, none resulted to accident. Nevertheless it's a source of distraction and keeping distractions to a minimum or zero helps make things safer.

Definitely NOT a good thing to do on group rides.

I went 1x and started using helmet mirror for one reason so my eyes are glued to the front view of the road at all times. Sure you can do the same thing with 2x but 1x is simpler for simple minds.
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Sorry for the above post. That song just brings out the LarrySellerz in me.

Makes me want to take off my shirt and go for a ride.

John
This song would actually make you take your shirt off in a ride.

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Originally Posted by koala logs View Post
This song would actually make you take your shirt off in a ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSc7Mv0QHY
Not sure about the shirt, but maybe ride to a Chick-fil-A.

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So why don't the higher end systems have it? It doesn't strike me as something particularly expensive to do, and whilst not everyone will use them all of the time it wouldn't hurt. They seem standard on everything about Alivio and under, so I'm assuming it's a conscious decision by manufacturers not to.

I tend to drop a few gears before stopping (when I have notice), and I'm happy glancing back at the cassette if I'm not sure, but I wouldn't mind if any of my bikes had an indicator on it. It wouldn't even need to be a full 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11, even a 1 - 6 - 11 or 1 - 11 would do.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
So wait, is the feeling in the legs and lungs the same as knowing your speed or is it much different? What the hell are you talking about?
I'm not sure why you are focused on speed. But when I'm riding (and this is probably the same for the majority of folks) there comes a point (usually a hill climb) where either the legs want to give out or the lungs want to give it out (or sometimes both) which is the physical indicator that a person should shift to an easier gear. Or if riding on the flats and the pedaling is too easy or the cadence is super high...it's another physical indicator to shift to a harder gear. This isn't that difficult and you don't need an indicator to tell you when do these things. Your body tells you. This is a no brainer common sense thing...well at least for some.

I was reminded last night on our group road ride, where we were rolling along at 25 mph for 8 miles, that having to look at a gear indicator or at your cassette for a split second could result in a crashy experience. Keep an eye on the bike in front of you and shift as needed according to what your body is telling you.
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So why don't the higher end systems have it? It doesn't strike me as something particularly expensive to do, and whilst not everyone will use them all of the time it wouldn't hurt. They seem standard on everything about Alivio and under, so I'm assuming it's a conscious decision by manufacturers not to.

I tend to drop a few gears before stopping (when I have notice), and I'm happy glancing back at the cassette if I'm not sure, but I wouldn't mind if any of my bikes had an indicator on it. It wouldn't even need to be a full 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11, even a 1 - 6 - 11 or 1 - 11 would do.
Because that would kill sales.
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I'm not sure why you are focused on speed. But when I'm riding (and this is probably the same for the majority of folks) there comes a point (usually a hill climb) where either the legs want to give out or the lungs want to give it out (or sometimes both) which is the physical indicator that a person should shift to an easier gear. Or if riding on the flats and the pedaling is too easy or the cadence is super high...it's another physical indicator to shift to a harder gear. This isn't that difficult and you don't need an indicator to tell you when do these things. Your body tells you. This is a no brainer common sense thing...well at least for some.

I was reminded last night on our group road ride, where we were rolling along at 25 mph for 8 miles, that having to look at a gear indicator or at your cassette for a split second could result in a crashy experience. Keep an eye on the bike in front of you and shift as needed according to what your body is telling you.

This is what is wrong with your entire "you should" approach to this thread--OP isn't going to be going 25 mph in a group ride, they're riding a recumbent and are more concerned with being in the right gear at stoplights. They find the markings useful in doing this. You and I wouldn't. That doesn't make them wrong.

OP wasn't asking what's right for the majority of folks. Seriously, who but marketers GAF about that? OP wanted a feature that you and I don't care about, and was given some pretty good advice about a work around, but you seem to feel better about yourself if you can scold OP for asking the question.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
This is what is wrong with your entire "you should" approach to this thread--OP isn't going to be going 25 mph in a group ride, they're riding a recumbent and are more concerned with being in the right gear at stoplights. They find the markings useful in doing this. You and I wouldn't. That doesn't make them wrong.

OP wasn't asking what's right for the majority of folks. Seriously, who but marketers GAF about that? OP wanted a feature that you and I don't care about, and was given some pretty good advice about a work around, but you seem to feel better about yourself if you can scold OP for asking the question.

Lol. I don't know about you...But when I approach a stoplight or stop sign I will A.) keep it in the same gear and keep rolling if I can see that there aren't any cars coming or B.) If I see cars coming or can't see if there any then I switch to an easier gear so it's easier to take off from a stop. Again...a little common sense goes a long way.

Long story short...We aren't getting gear indicators back on ours shifters. So learn how to adapt.
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Lol. I don't know about you...But when I approach a stoplight or stop sign I will A.) keep it in the same gear and keep rolling if I can see that there aren't any cars coming or B.) If I see cars coming or can't see if there any then I switch to an easier gear so it's easier to take off from a stop. Again...a little common sense goes a long way.

Long story short...We aren't getting gear indicators back on ours shifters. So learn how to adapt.
This thread isn't about you or me. OP finds it useful, and telling OP they lack "common sense" because they find it useful is a useless condescending comment on your part.

OP is adapting by taking the suggestion of someone who was actually trying to be helpful and making marks on the twist shifter. You just don't approve of that, apparently.

Have you gotten enough attention playing the "Pope of Cycling" yet?
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Lol. I don't know about you...But when I approach a stoplight or stop sign I will A.) keep it in the same gear and keep rolling if I can see that there aren't any cars coming or B.) If I see cars coming or can't see if there any then I switch to an easier gear so it's easier to take off from a stop. Again...a little common sense goes a long way.

Long story short...We aren't getting gear indicators back on ours shifters. So learn how to adapt.
Holycrap, you can do that on YOUR bent.

I must be doing it all wrong.

I can do all what you wrote easily on my regular bike.
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