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Sorry I just couldn't let this rest. Behold the future:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/a-re...r-the-outback/
https://www.renehersecycles.com/a-re...r-the-outback/
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Interesting experiment. Jan Heine always seems to be returning to old ideas. Shorties never made a ton of sense to me (why bother with fenders if they don't protect the rider from road debris/liquid?). Anyone find them remotely useful?
Oh, and you wonder about the bob-tailed fenders? They are for aerodynamics – our wind tunnel tests have shown that shielding the front of the tire tread – which moves at twice the speed of the bike – provides about the same benefit as a set of aero wheels. (Racing motorbikes have short fenders for the same reason, but the UCI doesn’t allow fairings for racing bicycles.) Ever since we spent three days in the wind tunnel, I’ve wanted to make some fenders to reduce my bike’s wind resistance. With the Oregon Outback known for its vicious winds, it made sense.
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I can rationalize the idea of shortys protecting the pivots of center and side pull brakes as well as the lower headset bearings. I do have a Schwinn High Sierra that I intend to set up as a vintage "mountain touring" bike. I like fenders on all my bikes but think they would be kind of dangerous and easy to damage bombing around the woods. With front and rear racks I could do something like this, but extend the rear fender to go under the rear rack.
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Looks like wet back and wet nether regions.
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That's the front part of a winter training fender, correct? Did they split the rear fenders?
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And generally, I'd just call them training fenders removed on race day. I honestly don't know why they left on the front shorty. It is quick to take off/put on. And technically the bike pictured above is too new for that "style". The Italians mostly abandoned it after the war . Prewar road conditions were quite bad.
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Could Mr. Heine be on to something? At least to the point where the oldtimers felt that there was no disadvantage to leaving the front stub on?
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Well, it certainly could be more aero. But how much competition randonneuring is there? I always thought the spirit of the sport was not who is the fastest.
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It seems to me it would only be more aero in a direct head wind. In any kind of side wind or quartering wind the added surface area would only increase aerodynamic drag. Maybe tough guys like Jan only ride directly into the teeth of the wind.
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I thinks it more of saving .1 second per km adds up when you get to 1200 km rides. That extra 30 minutes might be spent on sleep, which might make a difference between having a good ride or clawing for survival. Me I just tootle around the neighborhood....
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The top of the wheel is always going up wind twice as fast as the the rest of the bike.
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I guess this means RH will be offering short fenders in the near future. Probably at a premium over regular fenders "due to the custom factor".
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The front stubs on those old photos - not about either speed or comfort. That's about racing long races on dirt roads. And keeping your goggles/eyeballs clean so you can see. That alone could be worth minutes.
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So there is an advantage to shorty fenders? The Paradigm shift is afoot!
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This was not a randonneuring ride, Lael Wilcox was specifically trying to set a record. But the part about randonneuring not being competitive is really just the opinion of a very vocal faction. The people that want to go faster just do it, so they aren't as vocal about it. If it wasn't about time, why are there time limits? Granted, there are also time minimums, but those have been ignored on PBP.
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I was searching for (full) fenders for the Grand Record when I came across these. I had never seen Bluemels shorties before so grabbed them at a very good price. Not to everyone's taste but I like 'em, the chrome strip up the centers is perfect.. A bit kitschy but definitely different.
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I actually have a couple dinged up orphan "French" aluminum fenders from the scrapyard, that I've thought about making shortys out of. I should be able to get a set of shorty's out of each full leangth one, but certainly have enough for a bunch of vestigial front fenders.
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So... As a person who does not ride in the wet, just where is the best position for shorty fenders. Are they protecting the rider from rooster tail, or protecting the bike from debris?
I do know one thing for me, when I ride in the wet, I get wet...
It would appear that having a shorty fender cover from 10:00 to 2:00 on the rear wheel and 9:00 to 1:00 on the front wheel to be most practical.
I have to admit, they do look nice.
Surly, someone has figured out a proven design. (And don't call me Surly...)
I do know one thing for me, when I ride in the wet, I get wet...
It would appear that having a shorty fender cover from 10:00 to 2:00 on the rear wheel and 9:00 to 1:00 on the front wheel to be most practical.
I have to admit, they do look nice.
Surly, someone has figured out a proven design. (And don't call me Surly...)
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My funny re: shorty fenders. A recent thread talked about long "solid" fenders. I now call shorty fenders "liquid" fenders. Any jersey will testify to that truth.
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Anyone notice how Jan turned off comments on his blog a month or two ago? It was all in preparation for his shorty fender teaser, which I'm sure will be followed by the product drop.
Meanwhile, recent Grant newsletter suggests metal fenders are not safe... We may as well cut all of ours down!
Meanwhile, recent Grant newsletter suggests metal fenders are not safe... We may as well cut all of ours down!
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