Best Endurance/All Road Bike
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Best Endurance/All Road Bike
Now that I'm finally past the point of having super young kids and starting/stopping riding over the last 6 years, it is now time to upgrade my 12 year old Felt. I have a healthy budget but doesn't seem like I need to spend $10k to get what I want (under $8k lots of options). I don't need the bike ASAP but would like a new one prior to next summer at a minimum.
Must haves:
Full Carbon Frame and pretty much everything else (would consider Ti)
Electronic Shifting (Force or Ultegra Di2, Red/DA not necessary)
Disc Brakes
Ability to mostly ride on the road/paths but have some packed dirt/gravel/rough road capability (ie 28-30 tires)
17ish lbs or less. Still would like to be under 18 lbs
Used from TPC is just fine, I love buying used as it gets all the dings and blemishes at a discount vs me doing it at some point anyway
I'm 6-0 with a 33ish inseam so right at a 56/58 depending on brand.
Looking for any opinions on the below Endurance/All Road-ish bikes or any other opinions. Guessing any one of these would completely work but I'm assuming I'm not the first person to compare these. Guessing it boils down to price more than anything.
Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8.0 eTap: Seems like for $6k its pretty loaded, especially with the built in power meter. Also it can ship today
Cervelo Caledonia 5: $6.5-$7 for di2/SRAM feels decent.
S-Works Roubaix: Can find used ones on Pro's Closet for $8k. There was one for $6.5k I should have snatched up but I was too slow. Wouldn't consider a new one at $10k but used seems doable. Still pricey at $8k from TPC.
Trek Domane SL/SLR 6 and Up. Lots of options here, some of the lower tiers feel a bit heavy.
Allied All Road. Love the functionality of this but not sure I need it to be this gravel intense? Adding any customization and it gets pretty expensive.
Thanks all
Must haves:
Full Carbon Frame and pretty much everything else (would consider Ti)
Electronic Shifting (Force or Ultegra Di2, Red/DA not necessary)
Disc Brakes
Ability to mostly ride on the road/paths but have some packed dirt/gravel/rough road capability (ie 28-30 tires)
17ish lbs or less. Still would like to be under 18 lbs
Used from TPC is just fine, I love buying used as it gets all the dings and blemishes at a discount vs me doing it at some point anyway
I'm 6-0 with a 33ish inseam so right at a 56/58 depending on brand.
Looking for any opinions on the below Endurance/All Road-ish bikes or any other opinions. Guessing any one of these would completely work but I'm assuming I'm not the first person to compare these. Guessing it boils down to price more than anything.
Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8.0 eTap: Seems like for $6k its pretty loaded, especially with the built in power meter. Also it can ship today
Cervelo Caledonia 5: $6.5-$7 for di2/SRAM feels decent.
S-Works Roubaix: Can find used ones on Pro's Closet for $8k. There was one for $6.5k I should have snatched up but I was too slow. Wouldn't consider a new one at $10k but used seems doable. Still pricey at $8k from TPC.
Trek Domane SL/SLR 6 and Up. Lots of options here, some of the lower tiers feel a bit heavy.
Allied All Road. Love the functionality of this but not sure I need it to be this gravel intense? Adding any customization and it gets pretty expensive.
Thanks all
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The hardest part of this is going to be getting the group set.
I bought a T-Lab X3, but sounds like you might be more oriented to an R3-Omni (Titanium)
I bought a T-Lab X3, but sounds like you might be more oriented to an R3-Omni (Titanium)
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Lynskey R300 Disc Red eTap AXS Road Bike - Large | The Pro's Closet (theproscloset.com)
But this one has non-groupset brakes.
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Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1 (Ultegra DI2) - can handle up to 35mm tires and it's an endurance beast!
Electronic groupset, CF rims & dual sided PM for 6000$ is a steal.
Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1 (Ultegra DI2) - can handle up to 35mm tires and it's an endurance beast!
Electronic groupset, CF rims & dual sided PM for 6000$ is a steal.
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If you can find one to buy, the Scott Addict SE Disc ticks off many of your requirements:
- full carbon
- electronic shifting (SRAM Force AXS)
- disc brakes
- 30mm tires stock
- 18.19 lbs (easy to reduce that with new wheelset)
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I ride a Defy Pro myself, but with the simple 105 groupset (2019 Adv Pro 2). It's a nice bike, very comfortable and has tons of tyre clearance. I run 32 mm tyres (Pirelli Cinturato Velo tubeless) for 100 mile mixed road rides. No trouble mixing it with race bikes over that distance, especially if the roads are crappy. It was great value in the sales at the end of 2019.
But I do still lust after a Cervelo Caledonia 5! That would probably be my pick if I was looking for something a little more special.
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I have nothing to add except congrats on the budget. You really can't go wrong. Especially since you can wait a bit, what about an IF? Independent Fabrication - Custom Bicycles. Handmade in the USA. - Gravel Royale - Titanium --you'd get custom and drool factor. Why not?
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If you can find one to buy, the Scott Addict SE Disc ticks off many of your requirements:
- full carbon
- electronic shifting (SRAM Force AXS)
- disc brakes
- 30mm tires stock
- 18.19 lbs (easy to reduce that with new wheelset)
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Like this brand new one from The Pro's Closet?
Lynskey R300 Disc Red eTap AXS Road Bike - Large | The Pro's Closet (theproscloset.com)
But this one has non-groupset brakes.
Lynskey R300 Disc Red eTap AXS Road Bike - Large | The Pro's Closet (theproscloset.com)
But this one has non-groupset brakes.
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I did look at this one too and keep coming back to it. I'm just not in love with the external cable routing here. Would much prefer internal just from a cleanliness and TBH I don't want to compromise much as hopefully this is the last road bike I have to buy for another decade. But this bike does have Full Red and for $5k agree its tough to compete with that.
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A carbon wheel set can easily reduce that by 300+ grams.
That’s the biggest weight-saving upgrade.
Syncros is Scott’s in-house component brand. It looks like they’re saving money with cheaper Syncros bars, stem, seatpost, and saddle.
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I did look at this one too and keep coming back to it. I'm just not in love with the external cable routing here. Would much prefer internal just from a cleanliness and TBH I don't want to compromise much as hopefully this is the last road bike I have to buy for another decade. But this bike does have Full Red and for $5k agree its tough to compete with that.
I feel like Lynskey would be very reasonable to work with for whatever additions/changes you'd want to make.
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That is an incredible budget.
You might consider going to your favorite LBS and ask them to build you up what you want - assuming they can get the parts. You might consider custom wheels built up by Pro Wheel Builder too. tubeless 32-36 hole rim butted spokes 3 cross lacing should be able to handle just about any terrain.
You might consider going to your favorite LBS and ask them to build you up what you want - assuming they can get the parts. You might consider custom wheels built up by Pro Wheel Builder too. tubeless 32-36 hole rim butted spokes 3 cross lacing should be able to handle just about any terrain.
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I bought a Argon 18 Krypton Pro last summer. In size small, it was around 17 lbs. all carbon, hidden cables, decent HED wheels. takes up to 32 mm tires and has ultegra DI2. Last summer it was about $7500. I have been super happy with it, The only thing I didn't care for was the saddle, too flat for my undercarriage!
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
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Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
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Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
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The Krypton Pro would definitely make my shortlist for a fast endurance bike. It has some really nice details like the variable stack headtube inserts. Ticks all the key boxes for me as a GF bike. I would like to compare it against my Defy and the Caledonia 5 at some point.
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I bought a Argon 18 Krypton Pro last summer. In size small, it was around 17 lbs. all carbon, hidden cables, decent HED wheels. takes up to 32 mm tires and has ultegra DI2. Last summer it was about $7500. I have been super happy with it, The only thing I didn't care for was the saddle, too flat for my undercarriage!
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
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Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
wrench science
Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
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Yeah, the cock pit is nice, and was not really a must have for me.... but I wanted it if I could get it. Just dont try to pack your bike for air travel, it was a nightmare. I got it packed, but it was tight, (this is a small) and I was truly afraid that TSA would completely HOSE my bike and case in the inspection phase. I wound up taking it out of my bike box, and calling West Maui Cycles and renting a Roubaix instead of flying it to Maui!
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I bought a Argon 18 Krypton Pro last summer. In size small, it was around 17 lbs. all carbon, hidden cables, decent HED wheels. takes up to 32 mm tires and has ultegra DI2. Last summer it was about $7500. I have been super happy with it, The only thing I didn't care for was the saddle, too flat for my undercarriage!
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
wrench science
Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
Argon 18 Krypton Pro
Argon 18 Krypton Pro review (2020)
wrench science
Different Wheels, saddle, color, and groupset than the 2020 model that I bought. not sure if the SRAM group is wireless, but my guess is yes. Also $500 less for 2020. definitely more towards the endurance end of the spectrum, but can handle light gravel easily. this is the bike that Astna used in 2019 for the cobbled classics,
My bike as received
Wrench Science seems to be one of the few places that carry it on the West Coast; is that where you got it from?
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Wrench Science: yes. I think R&A also carries Argon 18 (in Walnut Creek CA). the forks? well I can't say too much for or against them. the reviews said the bike was more comfortable etc., but I guess I am pretty much a lout when it comes to these fine distinctions. I have been riding on the stock tires, which are Challenge Paris - Roubaix tires in 27 mm width which are fantastic tires. they ride and handle so much better than the Conti 4 seasons, 25 mm, I had been using as a compromise between durability and performance on my previous bike. What I can say is this: This bike rides better than my precious bike, a 2012 Pinarello FP Quatro. better descender, better handling, lighter, more responsive. the Pinarello was MUCH prettier though! this bike also has a shorter reach, and similar stack to the Pinarello, so it is better suited to my size and riding style.
I will say that I was impressed that they didn't compromise on the kind of stuff most stock bikes compromise on... seat post, stem, bars, wheels, saddle, etc. to hit a price point, all CF components, in the high mid price point standard.
I am a fan if you are in the market for a $7000 bike! The final PLUS for me is that you do not see this bike everywhere you turn (i.e. Specialized, Giant, Trek.).
EDIT. BTW, it took me about 2 months to get this bike from the time i decided to picked it up, and that was before things got really bad.. I am sure no one has them in stock.. the OP did say he was willing to wait, or I wouldn't have piped in here.
I will say that I was impressed that they didn't compromise on the kind of stuff most stock bikes compromise on... seat post, stem, bars, wheels, saddle, etc. to hit a price point, all CF components, in the high mid price point standard.
I am a fan if you are in the market for a $7000 bike! The final PLUS for me is that you do not see this bike everywhere you turn (i.e. Specialized, Giant, Trek.).
EDIT. BTW, it took me about 2 months to get this bike from the time i decided to picked it up, and that was before things got really bad.. I am sure no one has them in stock.. the OP did say he was willing to wait, or I wouldn't have piped in here.
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Wrench Science: yes. I think R&A also carries Argon 18 (in Walnut Creek CA). the forks? well I can't say too much for or against them. the reviews said the bike was more comfortable etc., but I guess I am pretty much a lout when it comes to these fine distinctions. I have been riding on the stock tires, which are Challenge Paris - Roubaix tires in 27 mm width which are fantastic tires. they ride and handle so much better than the Conti 4 seasons, 25 mm, I had been using as a compromise between durability and performance on my previous bike. What I can say is this: This bike rides better than my precious bike, a 2012 Pinarello FP Quatro. better descender, better handling, lighter, more responsive. the Pinarello was MUCH prettier though! this bike also has a shorter reach, and similar stack to the Pinarello, so it is better suited to my size and riding style.
I will say that I was impressed that they didn't compromise on the kind of stuff most stock bikes compromise on... seat post, stem, bars, wheels, saddle, etc. to hit a price point, all CF components, in the high mid price point standard.
I am a fan if you are in the market for a $7000 bike! The final PLUS for me is that you do not see this bike everywhere you turn (i.e. Specialized, Giant, Trek.).
EDIT. BTW, it took me about 2 months to get this bike from the time i decided to picked it up, and that was before things got really bad.. I am sure no one has them in stock.. the OP did say he was willing to wait, or I wouldn't have piped in here.
I will say that I was impressed that they didn't compromise on the kind of stuff most stock bikes compromise on... seat post, stem, bars, wheels, saddle, etc. to hit a price point, all CF components, in the high mid price point standard.
I am a fan if you are in the market for a $7000 bike! The final PLUS for me is that you do not see this bike everywhere you turn (i.e. Specialized, Giant, Trek.).
EDIT. BTW, it took me about 2 months to get this bike from the time i decided to picked it up, and that was before things got really bad.. I am sure no one has them in stock.. the OP did say he was willing to wait, or I wouldn't have piped in here.
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I am pleased with the Bianchi Infinito CV Disc. Excellent ride, well built. Di2 $6500.
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Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8.0 eTap: Seems like for $6k its pretty loaded, especially with the built in power meter. Also it can ship today
Cervelo Caledonia 5: $6.5-$7 for di2/SRAM feels decent.
S-Works Roubaix: Can find used ones on Pro's Closet for $8k. There was one for $6.5k I should have snatched up but I was too slow. Wouldn't consider a new one at $10k but used seems doable. Still pricey at $8k from TPC.
Trek Domane SL/SLR 6 and Up. Lots of options here, some of the lower tiers feel a bit heavy.
Allied All Road. Love the functionality of this but not sure I need it to be this gravel intense? Adding any customization and it gets pretty expensive.
Cervelo Caledonia 5: $6.5-$7 for di2/SRAM feels decent.
S-Works Roubaix: Can find used ones on Pro's Closet for $8k. There was one for $6.5k I should have snatched up but I was too slow. Wouldn't consider a new one at $10k but used seems doable. Still pricey at $8k from TPC.
Trek Domane SL/SLR 6 and Up. Lots of options here, some of the lower tiers feel a bit heavy.
Allied All Road. Love the functionality of this but not sure I need it to be this gravel intense? Adding any customization and it gets pretty expensive.
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Why limit yourself to the S-Works version? The Roubaix Pro build is plenty high enough spec and more in-line with the rest of your shortlist. I do quite like the look of the Roubaix, although I have never ridden one. I did a 100 mile GF event last weekend on some pretty rough roads and I spoke to a guy riding a new Roubaix who seemed very happy with it. it's an interesting option. My only concern would be potential maintenance of the additional suspension - although maybe that's not an issue.
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With a budget as healthy as yours, why in the world settle for off the shelf frames? Get a custom titanium frame and do it right, unless of course the brand name has significant importance to you.