is there consensus about what E bike
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The Trek Domane+ SLR
It costs about the same as the non-ebike version with the same level of component set.
It costs about the same as the non-ebike version with the same level of component set.
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There is no consensus anywhere about anything. I would say breathing could be the closest but plenty of people have hung themselves or enjoy being choked or just don't want to breathe anymore.
I will say things with a Bosch motor or similar motor with good support behind it are the better bangs for bucks as they generally have fewer problems and better support if you do have problems and a good solid warranty.
I will say things with a Bosch motor or similar motor with good support behind it are the better bangs for bucks as they generally have fewer problems and better support if you do have problems and a good solid warranty.
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Definitely no agreement, I would say the opposite of veganbikes with Bosch motors being expensive, less reliable and highly proprietary meaning more environmentally damaging. Bosch motors are typically quite complex with many moving parts including nylon cogs and sometimes internal belts. I'm more in line with Grin Technology who favour hub motors for general use although mid-drive motors can be better for e-mountain bikes.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
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Definitely no agreement, I would say the opposite of veganbikes with Bosch motors being expensive, less reliable and highly proprietary meaning more environmentally damaging. Bosch motors are typically quite complex with many moving parts including nylon cogs and sometimes internal belts. I'm more in line with Grin Technology who favour hub motors for general use although mid-drive motors can be better for e-mountain bikes.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
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Definitely no agreement, I would say the opposite of veganbikes with Bosch motors being expensive, less reliable and highly proprietary meaning more environmentally damaging. Bosch motors are typically quite complex with many moving parts including nylon cogs and sometimes internal belts. I'm more in line with Grin Technology who favour hub motors for general use although mid-drive motors can be better for e-mountain bikes.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
Bosch motors aren't that exceptionally complex compared to other motors and generally if there is an issue they are well supported and after the warranty is out and they won't support it you can still get parts to fix them.
Grin is a fine company they have their niche in hub drives and other electric stuff. Generally if we are building a kit bike for a customer usually because they have brought us something odd like an trike with a food cart at the front and no good way to mount a mid-drive motor we generally go for Grin.
However over the 1000s of bikes sold with Bosch from our shop we have had very little reliability issues and anything major was a manufacturer issue outside of Bosch, that Bosch and the manufacturer took care of. Bosch is a well known company who makes motors for a lot of quality products. That is why a lot of companies are moving towards Bosch and away from others. Bulls for instance had a bunch of bikes with Brose, now they are Bosch exclusive and Raleigh/Izip did a bunch of different motors and are now mostly doing Bosch and then some more cheapie hub drive stuff (which isn't out of character for them). If Bosch motors especially where so bad, you would hear a lot about it and especially from me because I own a Bosch bike and went for it because of motor reliability.
Nothing particular about Bosch that makes them more or less environmentally damaging unless the company itself is doing something particularly bad. That is just a silly statement all major companies and plenty of smaller ones are causing ecological issues. It has nothing to do with them having their own system rather than something generic or differently proprietary.
In terms of cost, Bosch can be seen as certainly more initially expensive but if I don't really have to do much they are rather cheap. A product that will last me 10+ years is worth it in my book and I have certainly seen some people still riding Gen1 Bosch stuff that is over 10 years old and Bosch will generally support their stuff for 16+ before it is finally discontinued so not a bad deal in an every changing market with new technology coming out frequently and a lot of older tech not supported.
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Definitely no agreement, I would say the opposite of veganbikes with Bosch motors being expensive, less reliable and highly proprietary meaning more environmentally damaging. Bosch motors are typically quite complex with many moving parts including nylon cogs and sometimes internal belts. I'm more in line with Grin Technology who favour hub motors for general use although mid-drive motors can be better for e-mountain bikes.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
Ultimately there are advantages and disadvantages to all ebike motor systems and one person's good ebike is another person's rubbish ebike.
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Different strokes etc, different tools depending on the function; as above, there's no consensus except among those selling a product; then, theirs is best..
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Consider the cost, motor output, battery capacity; there is not much to compete between hub-drive in "bang for the buck".
Mid-drive is always going to be more expensive.
As to reliability,
you need to consider how many hub-drive ebikes are produced and sold vs mid-drive ebikes,
ratio is likely 10:1 (if not 50:1) or more; of course hub-drive ebikes are going to have more problems or failures.
Mid-drive is always going to be more expensive.
As to reliability,
you need to consider how many hub-drive ebikes are produced and sold vs mid-drive ebikes,
ratio is likely 10:1 (if not 50:1) or more; of course hub-drive ebikes are going to have more problems or failures.
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Consider the cost, motor output, battery capacity; there is not much to compete between hub-drive in "bang for the buck".
Mid-drive is always going to be more expensive.
As to reliability,
you need to consider how many hub-drive ebikes are produced and sold vs mid-drive ebikes,
ratio is likely 10:1 (if not 50:1) or more; of course hub-drive ebikes are going to have more problems or failures.
Mid-drive is always going to be more expensive.
As to reliability,
you need to consider how many hub-drive ebikes are produced and sold vs mid-drive ebikes,
ratio is likely 10:1 (if not 50:1) or more; of course hub-drive ebikes are going to have more problems or failures.
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is there consensus about what E bike - constitutes the best bang for the buck?
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