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Old 01-21-12, 12:52 PM
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I don't know about epic. My skills and my budget are both too limited for that, but I'm doing the best I can. At the moment that's not so well. Does anyone know where to get the Suntour-specific tool for their old sealed bottom brackets with 8 internal splines? Or is there something else I can use?
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Someone somewhere suggested one of these, simply because it has the same diameter, and I've ordered one but I'm not too optimistic: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001B6LPA6
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So the bottom bracket replacement is on hold for now, but here's where I'm at, along with some before/after photos:




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WOW! Great work. The fork is just perfect. Nice rack and Colt as well.
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jar351, I've never seen Celeste Green bar tape on anything other than a Bianchi, I think it's a good choice with the saddle's color. Really a very good looking light tourer at the moment. The polished fork crown really balances the silver carrier, IMHO.
When I built my first touring bike last year I missed the advice about using a frame one size smaller than my roadie's size for more stand over clearance (bigger tires). On the other hand I've had a bit more leeway in obtaining a more relaxed fit due to the longer head tube, which seems more appropriate to me for a tourer.

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Jar351, this bike is turning out fantastic .
Love the look of the Colt .
It really brings things together.
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Cool seeing another old Cannondale getting some love. Now go put some miles on that booger and I bet you have a hard time parting with it.
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You know, for some darn reason--maybe it was the lighting?--when I picked out the bar tape and even when I installed it I was thinking of it as "sage green." But when I looked at the photos on my comp screen, I had the same thought: celeste? Oh well, I suppose it's unique and I don't think Bianchi has a copyright on Celeste.

Yesterday, I had a chance to take her out on a brief ride and, man, she really flies! I couldn't believe I was on a touring bike with long chainstays and all.

Here's another pic, just for fun. In this one I've got the Huret Duopar swapped out for a Cyclone Mk II, while I service the Huret.

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Oh, I almost forgot to mention: When I was installing water bottle cages I ran into another little bit of fun. After obtaining the correct standard size (!) allen wrench for the wb cage bolts, I pulled them out with some difficulty but they all came out in the end...except one. Luckily (or so I thought), the one that didn't want to budge was a strange kind of bolt that I've never seen before. It looks like a regular button-head machine screw with an attached sleeve washer below the head. So I figured, great, I can get more torque on it if I clamp the thing in some vise grips and turn. Well I was right, but it turns out that my bolt was frozen solid onto the braze-on and instead of the bolt breaking free, the braze-on broke free and now it's just spinning in place. I hadn't even considered this as a possibility. Funny thing is, it won't fall out (or in), so I'm just going to live with two instead of three cages and pretend like this didn't happen.
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jar351, https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...ottle-fittings might be of some help. Try to slip something between the screw and the riv nut that you can pry upwards on the screw to help removal and then try to tighten the nut in the the tube.

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Thanks, Brad. That's a nifty little tutorial. I'm going to give a shot, but I don't think I'm going to be able to break the screw free from the riv nut.
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Originally Posted by jar351

Here's another pic, just for fun. In this one I've got the Huret Duopar swapped out for a Cyclone Mk II, while I service the Huret.

I really like that bike- IMO, you're best off cleaning up that Duopar and putting it in a box and running with your Cyclone. I am not a fan of the Duopar. It looks cool and everything, the concept is great... in execution... too much to go wrong.
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Had the same thing on bottle cage bolts on a T400 and a CDale Mtb I had . I'd also keep the cyclone on there .
BradTx's idea looks helpful
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That is a very cool trick with the QR!
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ST500 Sizing

Hello. I have been out of cycling for 20+ years. I love Cannondales. I had a 1992 SR500 (can't recall frame size). I am trying to buy a 1987 ST500 from a guy who insists that a 21" frame is too small for me. (I have to drive an hour to see it so I can't just try it out.) As I am 6'2", it makes sense that the second smallest size (19", 21", 23", 25", 27") would not be for me. But when I do sizing calculations with my measurements, like at competitivecycling, it says that a 21" seat tube range (which I understand is a 21" frame) is not crazy. In your post, you say throw sizing out the window. But should I assume that 21" is just too small for a 6'2" guy? The owner says he is 5'5". I am confused. Could you lay some wisdom on me please?

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The Cannondale ST series is the original "country bike." Cannondale was selling these before Grant ever left food service to start working at Bridgestone. The early builds are eerily identical to the BOBish/Rivendell bikes that everyone thinks is a Grant thing. However, these were stock spec'd bikes being made by another manufacturer and sold before he really started to get Bridgestone to swing his way, and long before Rivendell would be a gleam in his eye:

Nitto 1" Technomic stems, Nitto Randonneur handlebars w/Cinelli cork, Stronglight Delta headsets, Sugino AT triple cranks with sensible "real world" range (28/44/48 in the popular touring "half-step" of the time), Sugino BB, Suntour Superbe Pro GT long cage (supposedly the only place this exists), Suntouir Superbe seatpost, Suntour Superbe triple front mech, Suntour Superbe shifters (some reportedly came with Suntour Accushift Bar-cons), the still epic Suntour Superbe pro road pedals, Brooks honey leather saddle w/copper rivets or Ideal honey saddle w/copper rivets, Honey Cannondale leather pedal straps, three water bottle cages painted to match, amazing metallic paint, front and rear fenders painted to match, fenders, wide tires and frame fits wider tires even with fenders, kevlar belted tires (630-32), wide range freewheel 13-30, (the almost priceless now) Dia-compe NGC982 cantilevers in BLACK, Tange touring fork w/lowrider rack bosses.

These were available in 19", 21", 23", 25" and 27" sizes. The fit on this is not by modern standards which is sizing to the hoods. Fit on these has nothing to do with standover, these are touring bikes remember. You need not actually be able to standover the bike safely for it to be an ideal fit. Fit these to the top tube length, frame size be damned. Most people will be on a frame too small for them by at least one size. Fit is about all day comfort, not about avoiding having to lean the bike over to the side at a stop light.

Probably the grail bike if their ever was one. The aluminum frame was stronger than anything else out there by orders of magnitude. It was much stiffer than anything else out there. It was unbelievably lighter, lighter than most lugged racing frames, and this was a touring frame. While these had relaxed geometry, the thing was these would actually outsprint, outclimb, and still be more comfortable than racing frames throughout the 80s.

Cannondale ST bikes are worthy of being your "best bike" by far. Build 'em up with your best bits. I think Phil Wood hubs are perfect for these now. Phil will still makes 126mm hubs, and will make a 40h or 48h in 126mm if you only ask (I have 42.5/48.5 flange 126mm 40h and 48h hubs if anyone needs some). Velocity makes the Dyad in 27" (630) in 48h, and other 630 rims in 40 and 36 drill. I've always thought these would ride even better with a custom Black Sheep titanium touring fork with the identical characteristics of the originals. You could also put a carbon fork on the lower STs and make them "comfortable" racing bikes.

I absolutely think it is mistake to spread these to 130mm. That's just me, and many lightweight people have. However, these are treasures in my mind and I wouldn't want to risk it. Supposedly, some of the STs were being made in 128mm at the end.

To me this was always the bike you ride in full regalia (fenders, racks, etc.) on the century charity ride. Drive the other wankers on their flexy steel crazy as you pull away on the climbs. All they can focus on is your racks and fenders!

The disadvantage of the lower ST models, depending on your perspective, is that they came with caliper brake mounts, while the higher end STs came with Canti mounts. If you really are savvy you'll search for LL Bean bikes, knowing that early ones were just Cannondale ST series bikes.

I have a nearly NOS Nitto bars if someone could use 'em. Much too narrow for me. I replaced mine with WTB mountain road drop bars which have a more aggressive flare, and are much wider. Also have the 175mm Sugino AT triple crank and BB (replaced mine with 205mm Zinn/High Sierra triple crank). I was an idiot to sell of my Superbe Pro pedals, and now want some back. Also sold off my Brooks saddle, as they make my willy go numb.

I have a white ST400 and a red ST400 and the paint doesn't begin to compare with my ST800. I'll probably have both refinished eventually. There is a HUGE debate regarding whether these can be safely powdercoated, assuming you use a powdercoater that understands that this is thin wall aluminum and uses a very soft blasting media. Regular blasting media will literally eat through the tubing. Easton engineers say that heat treating of aluminum frames is lost if aluminum frames reach powder coating temperatures. Others have powder coated multiple Cannondales and claimed ride quality, stiffness, and strength haven't been affected. The real issue, for me is that there is no way to safely remove the plastic bits attached to the frames. These would just melt in the powder oven. I haven't refinished any of mine, yet. Stay tuned.
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Originally Posted by Schlik
Hello. I have been out of cycling for 20+ years. I love Cannondales. I had a 1992 SR500 (can't recall frame size). I am trying to buy a 1987 ST500 from a guy who insists that a 21" frame is too small for me. (I have to drive an hour to see it so I can't just try it out.) As I am 6'2", it makes sense that the second smallest size (19", 21", 23", 25", 27") would not be for me. But when I do sizing calculations with my measurements, like at competitivecycling, it says that a 21" seat tube range (which I understand is a 21" frame) is not crazy. In your post, you say throw sizing out the window. But should I assume that 21" is just too small for a 6'2" guy? The owner says he is 5'5". I am confused. Could you lay some wisdom on me please?
21" is too small for someone 6'2". Modern sizing is not the same as for bikes from decades ago.
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I’m 6’4” and a 25 is perfect for me. You should look for a 23”. Buy it ride the wheels off. You’ll love it.
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My wife is 5’7 and rides a 21” ST600, while I am 5’11 and ride a 23”. Hope this helps.
Depending on your build, you may be a 23 or 25
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I’m with Trailmix, 23 or maybe a 25. I’m 5’10” and very happy on my 23” Cannondales.
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No way is 21" frame size correct for someone 6'2". Go with 23" or maybe 25". Ideally try both first. Depends on your PBH and other measurements, and personal preference. A larger frame is typically more comfortable if you can stand over it. I'm about the same height and used to have a 23" cannondale SR from that era. It was a touch on the small side but because of the extended seat tube you go a little on the small side with a Cannondale.
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I had a 19" ST700 that was a good fit for a 5'6" rider.
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I think the '84s had the mid fork blade eyelets

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Andre, If it fits, it's worth keeping. Looks to me that it was either originally bought as a frameset or rebuilt. Check the Cannondale dealers in the area as they may still have some of the TT cable guides.

Bob, I think the early STs weren't equipped with the fork's mid mount, but rather had two eyelets on the fork's dropout.

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My '83 st500 has double eyelets on the dropouts, none on the fork blade. It's a Tange fork..I use the bike for randonneuring. It's been to Ireland, France and England. I bought it new in '83 from Patio Bike in Hales corners, Wi. I've modded it with 700cc wheels, son 28, 28tooth small chainring, 34t large rear cog. Aerobars, veloview, xdc rear derailleur, campy rear hub, h+son t14 rims. It's on it's 3rd bottom bracket.. still going strong.. prob 20,000 miles. Handsome fenders, edulux fender mounted light.
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