indyfabz

+1. I only take them when out on a long day ride or on tour when there will be long stretches without services.

indyfabz

Why, especially if it tastes great?
REAL mayo is made with only one egg yolk. Everything else is vegan.

merrman

Without getting into how much egg there is relative to other ingredients(i definately don't know) i assume some sort of trickery/wizardry is being used to make whatever veg is being used as an egg substitute taste like egg. I personally have never eaten any veg that tastes like egg. If the product is just meant to be a veg sauce as i suspect and not taste like mayo why are they trying to dupe us into believing it will be like mayo. As a side note i hope you see I'm not all that serious about any of this. I realize sometimes my attempts at humour get taken seriously.

AdkMtnMonster

I think it's somewhere right around 2 measly pounds that makes the difference between the winner and the horse that's a length back in a horserace. Eat accordingly.

Danhedonia

Shrug re: veganaisse. I am mildly allergic to eggs and have a heart problem and high LDL. Just looking to win any nutritional struggle I can.

It does taste good to me. Mayo type of taste, but not as much mouth residue.

livedarklions

I've found that I like brown mustard in a lot of stuff people use mayo for. Never used it much other than on turkey and tuna sandwiches.

Pop N Wood

Should have had her get the salad instead.

Notso_fastLane

Olive oil on the chain?

70sSanO

I guess you’ve never seen my wife.

John

Troul 

I am not against lowering fats/sugars/etc, but my eye is primarily going to be on calories per serving. If it lowers the calories while maintaining or increasing the serving size, & it tastes like how it is supposed to represent, then i'd give it a hoot.

Danhedonia

If you are focused on calories above other things, then I am guessing you've been fortunate enough to not experience serious health issues. (For which I am glad, I wish them on no one).

All of us are put together differently (except twins), and that means we may or may not need to do stuff to ensure that we can enjoy life day by day.

I always feel that if I can do something positive for my health, than I'll give it a go.

Troul 

Don't get me wrong on not being concerned of nutrition, I just found what works for me to manage certain health issues comes down to first monitoring calories followed by the rest of the aspects. I consume enough of the needed things that my body requires for vit/mins that it boils down to limiting how much of it I ingest so I am not over working the breakdown system & wasting it in the waste or putting it around the waist.

livedarklions

Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but my understanding is that cholesterol levels in the blood are generally far more reflective of the amount of we're producing internally vs. the amount of it we eat (I believe the figure is our bodies produce about 80% of it), so marginal reductions in the "bad fats" we eat are going to have very limited benefits. I know that my bad cholesterol levels were high when I was a morbidly obese inactive person, but as a normal weight very active person who doesn't pay much attention to the types of fats I eat (and I love red meat), my cholesterol levels are textbook perfect.

Not arguing I'm right and you're wrong, btw, just that it isn't a simple difference between "you care" and "I don't". If what you're doing works for you and keeps you healthy, then keep at it, by gum!

I cut mayo out a while ago for caloric reasons and I didn't use it enough for it to be much of a sacrifice. But if I was so inclined to substitute for it, I'll be honest, the name "vegenaise" just sounds like a venereal disease to me so I've never been tempted to try it.

Danhedonia

livedarklions According to my Dad's cardiologist and mine, LDL is more of an elusive cause-effect chain. (I am currently focused only on LDL, as my other numbers are great). There's no fixed figure for how much is our body vs. external, although you are absolutely correct that "you can't control it completely through diet." There's also a chicken-egg factor with ingesting a lot of bad fats and how that prompts your body to produce lipids in ways that may be bad for one's heart health.

And current meds do an amazing job at driving down LDL - but with some associated costs. I've started statins; we'll see where we can go with those.

I have a cheese habit. I have eaten cheese at a pace that makes me look like a meth-addled Wisconsin-based mouse concerned that the world will end tomorrow. There were/are a couple other dietary habits to overcome, but the dairy is at the "dude, WTF??!??!" level.

What I can tell you is that over the past 10 years (which have featured some VERY varied health and eating habits in my life) my LDL has varied from 70 to 130 due to diet alone. Note I said "varied;" it hasn't simply risen with age.

TLDR: Yes, some fat levels are not attributable solely to diet, but diet can make a big difference.

livedarklions

Sure, but in my case, I suspect that my calorie reduction and activity boost caused the large change in LDL. Like all things, genetics probably plays a huge role in this, and frankly, I think the science in these areas tends to be fundamentally controverted. It does appear, however, that aerobic exercise can improve the HDL/LDL balance.

I'm from Minnesota, controlling my cheese intake was probably the hardest part of my dietary reform, but in my case, that was a calorie-driven decision. I'm probably eating a higher proportion of meat in my diet than ever before, and my LDL numbers have never been normal before and have been now for a few years.

I guess this is just my long way of saying that in my case, calorie control really is my LDL control, along with activity increase. My LDL number came down with my weight even before I started ramping up the physical activity. I have no doubt that might not work for other people with genetics playing such a huge role.

To be clear, I don't think we're disagreeing on anything here, I'm just some internet rando who heard the 80% number somewhere, but I've definitely heard from doctors that fats content in diet is probably a relatively small factor in controlling LDL. It's a measure though that's relatively easy to do by substitution, so I think you're right to do it when you've got levels that are proving difficult to control. Not that it should matter to anyone whether I think you're right or wrong, BTW, I just want to make it clear that I'm not arguing with you.

Good health, my friend!

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rydabent

Or---------------some of us that ride for the pure pleasure of it really dont think that speed is the holy grail of biking. I eat what I like.

indyfabz

I worked with a guy who had a high cholesterol problem that runz in the family. That's basically what he told me his docs told him: There was not much he could do diet-wise to significantly reduce his numbers.

livedarklions

The other thing I ignore is sodium content. Nutritionists go crazy on the subject, cardiologists generally say it isn't an issue unless you have something like congestive heart failure or kidney issues. The RDA for sodium is a made-up number with no particular significance. As a control on high blood pressure, it's probably useless. Even the most optimistic claim is that reducing sodium can take off a max of about 2 points of BP.

indyfabz

I'm like Lot's wife when it comes to salt. I am made of it. Normal BP.

veganbikes

But???? What???? It is literally just a vegan alternative to mayo. The ingredients are much less scary than other things I have seen:
Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Filtered Water, Brown Rice Syrup, Apple Cider Vinegar, Soy Protein, Sea Salt, Mustard Flour, Lemon Juice Concentrate.

I mean I do understand that water is Dihydrogen Monoxide and that stuff will kill you but beyond that everything else is just fine and dandy by me.

Troul 

same with booze. Statistical data formulated around generated assumptions.

Illgot

blach, I have had people ask me for "lots" of dressing, by this they mean enough to make it look like they are having a bowl of cereal.

Hikebikerun

I have this problem with Parmesan cheese. I just tell servers “give me an amount you think is disgusting, then add 50%.”