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Old 11-05-21, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Do we have any any auctioneers on the forum?

"Got 21, 21, 21! Do I hear 22, 22, 22? Gimme 22, 22, 22!"
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Old 11-05-21, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
More with the personal attacks. Just try to add your points to the debate. It would be nice for a change.
I added my points way back. Try to keep up.

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Old 11-05-21, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Wrong, the only correct answer is the 5 speed IG hub. Myself and 99% of the cyclists on the planet are doing it wrong.
So a Suntour 5-speed freewheel is wrong, even though itís Perfect?

I even had the parts laid out in case I got in a mood to put gears on the road bike.

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Old 11-05-21, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
So who do you say is right, the people that want 36 gears or the 1x people???
Dude, it's not about right or wrong. It's a preference. I actually defended you about a week ago when I thought many seemed to be misinterpreting your original post, which I thought was lamenting the lack of availability of triples. Now I think you're just bashing 1x (many of which have bash guards ).
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Old 11-05-21, 07:43 PM
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Skipping from page 8 to 18 because i have important things to do like straighten out the internet.

Firstly, unicycles can have handlebars (for speed records and long distance comfort), gears (internal, shift by whacking the end of the axle with your ankle) and disc brakes (skills required). Google before posting nonsense, folks.

Secondly, tandem unicycles have one wheel and two people. Sheesh.

Thirdly, the retro grouch market, aka C&V, is large enough to ensure an increasingly expensive triple option will survive. This will benefit the esoteric and niche but not big enough alone to do the job recumbent market.

Finally, and this is so exhausting, the future of BSO triples is guaranteed, since "33 speeds" sounds way sexier than "1x" pronounced one ex.
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Old 11-05-21, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post
So a Suntour 5-speed freewheel is wrong, even though itís Perfect?

I even had the parts laid out in case I got in a mood to put gears on the road bike.

Otto

It's objectively wrong but I can't stop you. But if you expect to get ice cream, forget about it.
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Old 11-05-21, 08:47 PM
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22 pages! Who woulda thought?
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Old 11-05-21, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyBlueBiker View Post
22 pages! Who woulda thought?
It just doesn't make any sense.
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Old 11-05-21, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post
So a Suntour 5-speed freewheel is wrong, even though itís Perfect?

I even had the parts laid out in case I got in a mood to put gears on the road bike.

Otto
Even if no one supports you, I still think youíre a Winner.

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Old 11-05-21, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
It just doesn't make any sense.
That makes me think of the Talking Heads. This thread is burning down the house!
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Old 11-05-21, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Even if no one supports you, I still think youíre a Winne
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Did he just start posting in the thread? That would make him a New Winner as well.
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Old 11-05-21, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Did he just start posting in the thread? That would make him a New Winner as well.
True, but he might need another cog or two.

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Old 11-05-21, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
True, but he might need another cog or two.

John
A lot of people on this forum are missing a cog or two.
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Old 11-05-21, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
It's worth noting that all bikes, including those with multi-speed freewheels, were "1x" before the invention of the front derailleur
People have been throwing extra sprockets at their crank arms for just about as long as chain drives have been practical. For example, there was a patent by Charles Dubos in 1868 for putting multiple chainwheels on the crank of a tricycle, and the 1869 retro-direct belt drive patent from Barberon & Meunier is arguably using a type of "2x" crank (albeit with internal freewheels).
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Old 11-05-21, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Did he just start posting in the thread? That would make him a New Winner as well.
Thanks! Iím Ultra-grateful for the recognition!

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Old 11-05-21, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post
Thanks! Iím Ultra-grateful for the recognition!

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Spoken like a real Pro.
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post
Thanks! Iím Ultra-grateful for the recognition!

Otto

Still, no ice cream for you.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
A lot of people on this forum are missing a cog or two.

I don't need them since I got my mag-lev bike.
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Old 11-06-21, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
A lot of people on this forum are missing a cog or two.
Oh, I got all my cogs! It's just a couple of screws that are loose.
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Originally Posted by Gonzo Bob View Post
Dude, it's not about right or wrong. It's a preference. I actually defended you about a week ago when I thought many seemed to be misinterpreting your original post, which I thought was lamenting the lack of availability of triples. Now I think you're just bashing 1x (many of which have bash guards ).
If some people like 1x that is fine with me. The ones I am questioning is the mfg that want to claim triples and doubles on the crank is now obsolete.
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Old 11-06-21, 08:34 AM
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And the winner is.......
https://www.cyclingabout.com/1x-2x-3...g-bikepacking/
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
If some people like 1x that is fine with me. The ones I am questioning is the mfg that want to claim triples and doubles on the crank is now obsolete.
Which manufacturer is claiming that doubles are obsolete?
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Old 11-06-21, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
1x11: 42 ring; 11-42 cassette. Previous bike was a double: 48/34; 12-32.

For the riding I do, the 1x drivetrain has proven perfectly fine. I like it, and doubt I'd go back. Don't miss the double at all, and I like the simplicity of 1x.

Of course, that's because I'm "stupid", 'never learned to shift properly', and a victim of the Evil Schemes of Big Bike, according to teh Biek Forms' hive mind.
The gearing on both bikes there is pretty good.

This thread has got me thinking about what is the "best gearing setup" and I find that hard to quantify, as there is a decent sized range of options I would be equally happy with, in 1x, 2x or 3x.

Availability of options going forward will probably play a larger role in future choices I make, rather than me finally deciding "Yes, this is exactly the gearing setup I must have".
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
People have been throwing extra sprockets at their crank arms for just about as long as chain drives have been practical. For example, there was a patent by Charles Dubos in 1868 for putting multiple chainwheels on the crank of a tricycle, and the 1869 retro-direct belt drive patent from Barberon & Meunier is arguably using a type of "2x" crank (albeit with internal freewheels).
Speaking in absolutes always gets me in trouble! I ought to have said that 1x multi-speed had been a successful thing since the beginning of chain drives, and left it at that...

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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
If some people like 1x that is fine with me. The ones I am questioning is the mfg that want to claim triples and doubles on the crank is now obsolete.
The demise of the triple is really driven by a lack of market.

When I mentioned Elon Musk being worth $300 billion is was more a testament to electric vehicles. Twenty years ago the Honda Insight was a total sales disaster. Apart from having a hideous appearance, there was no viable market for it.

Teslas have a better appearance, but still nothing close to earth shattering, and twenty years later they have become luxury/pseudo luxury cars of choice. And it is not because 6 figure executives are conscious about fossil fuels.

The Dura Ace 7803 was the signal of the demise. A great crank that should have been embraced by triple road enthusiasts seeking a high end option. My regret was not being interested in triples when they were being sold at blow out prices.

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