1958 (?) Schwinn Paramount Track P12? P14?
06-19-21, 07:23 PM
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1958 (?) Schwinn Paramount Track P12? P14?
cudak888 and St33lWh33ls posted info in another thread that made me think this is a 1958 P14, but I don't know much about it. My dad said he purchased it secondhand during the 1970's. The original owner had swapped a number of parts and maybe repainted it and then my dad swapped a number of parts. It's been hanging in the garage for a long time.
I was thinking about installing a single speed freewheel and some flat pedals on it to take it to sjbikeparty events, but maybe not if it's a museum piece or something super rare/valuable.
Thank you in advance for any guidance anyone is able to provide and to those who've posted information in the past!
I was thinking about installing a single speed freewheel and some flat pedals on it to take it to sjbikeparty events, but maybe not if it's a museum piece or something super rare/valuable.
Thank you in advance for any guidance anyone is able to provide and to those who've posted information in the past!
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06-19-21, 09:03 PM
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skaughtto nice Paramount. Frame #819 would be 1954-1957 range, most likley 1956 or 1957. Frame 913 has a shipping label of late June 1958 so it is unlikley to be a 58. It would be model P12 Profesional racer ,Track bikes dont seem to become P14 till 1960 or 1961. Some one changed the fork for a road fork ,the handel bars and stem, seat and post, crank and the hubs and rims. It looks to have been repainted. As the frame is the only thing original, install your single speed freewheel and flat pedals and ride it. you can probbly get $400 for it and posibly as much as a $1000 to the right buyer. If you decide to sell it I would be interested at the lower end of the range.
Enjoy your bike thanks for showing it to us
Enjoy your bike thanks for showing it to us
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06-20-21, 12:21 AM
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skaughtto nice Paramount. Frame #819 would be 1954-1957 range, most likley 1956 or 1957. Frame 913 has a shipping label of late June 1958 so it is unlikley to be a 58. It would be model P12 Profesional racer ,Track bikes dont seem to become P14 till 1960 or 1961. Some one changed the fork for a road fork ,the handel bars and stem, seat and post, crank and the hubs and rims. It looks to have been repainted. As the frame is the only thing original, install your single speed freewheel and flat pedals and ride it. you can probbly get $400 for it and posibly as much as a $1000 to the right buyer. If you decide to sell it I would be interested at the lower end of the range.
Enjoy your bike thanks for showing it to us
Enjoy your bike thanks for showing it to us
Those lugs are Nervex Serie Legere which Schwinn used briefly on the Paramounts in the mid-fifties before switching to the Nervex Professionals. Based on the lugs and fork crown, I'm guessing mid-fifties. We need the serial number and much better photos to narrow down what you've got.
This is a 1956 Paramount with Serie Legere lugs built by Oscar Wastyn Sr. for Frank W. Schwinn.
This is a 1956 Paramount with Serie Legere lugs built by Oscar Wastyn Sr. for Frank W. Schwinn.
For a minute I was having some Indiana Jones feelings ("it belongs in a museum!"), but since it isn't original or historically significant I feel alright about riding it occasionally to try to figure out why my dad held onto it for ~50 years.
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06-20-21, 10:27 AM
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With a non original fork and hodgepodge of parts....
not vault worthy
not vault worthy
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Badge alone would bring some nice money......
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Thanks! I'm finding more evidence to back up the 56 or 57 identification:
This thread also has some interesting discussion regarding the serial number being on the drive side dropout: Scwhinn Paramount - Bike Forums
For a minute I was having some Indiana Jones feelings ("it belongs in a museum!"), but since it isn't original or historically significant I feel alright about riding it occasionally to try to figure out why my dad held onto it for ~50 years.
This thread also has some interesting discussion regarding the serial number being on the drive side dropout: Scwhinn Paramount - Bike Forums
For a minute I was having some Indiana Jones feelings ("it belongs in a museum!"), but since it isn't original or historically significant I feel alright about riding it occasionally to try to figure out why my dad held onto it for ~50 years.
While I wouldn't outright say not to ride it, I would encourage you to take a long view and honor it and your Dad by taking good care of it.
Regardless of repaint, fork, and parts, this is a find , get, whatever and not falling out of trees.
At any given time you cannot easily find one of these and usually not without stepping way up, even in poor condition, far from cheap.
Hang on to it, take good care of it and have fun OR sell it to trainman since its way to small for me.
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Thanks! I'm finding more evidence to back up the 56 or 57 identification:
This thread also has some interesting discussion regarding the serial number being on the drive side dropout: Scwhinn Paramount - Bike Forums
For a minute I was having some Indiana Jones feelings ("it belongs in a museum!"), but since it isn't original or historically significant I feel alright about riding it occasionally to try to figure out why my dad held onto it for ~50 years.
This thread also has some interesting discussion regarding the serial number being on the drive side dropout: Scwhinn Paramount - Bike Forums
For a minute I was having some Indiana Jones feelings ("it belongs in a museum!"), but since it isn't original or historically significant I feel alright about riding it occasionally to try to figure out why my dad held onto it for ~50 years.
While mostly not correct, they appear to be mostly good ones worthy of this.
