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1989 Panasonic Team Holland
Hi,
I purchased this frameset a number of years ago on eBay and was hoping to get some more information about it. The plan is to build it up in Dura Ace 7400, which is probably a bit overkill for something with a Tange 1 tubeset.
Here are my questions / observations:
I purchased this frameset a number of years ago on eBay and was hoping to get some more information about it. The plan is to build it up in Dura Ace 7400, which is probably a bit overkill for something with a Tange 1 tubeset.
Here are my questions / observations:
- Based on the seat binder bolt and looking at the 1988 Panasonic PICS catalog ('89 not available, I can't link to the Panasonic Bike Museum because I'm new) I think this is a Triathlon model as opposed to the Road model that has a different binder bolt location
- In the catalogue I can see that the same paint scheme is available. However, I didn't see any mention of a Team Holland naming option. Is there a chance someone decided to customize the frame with "TEAM HOLLAND" themselves?
- Was it common for PICS bikes to not have a PICS decal? Would a shop have ordered a set of PICS bikes and sold them almost as a white labelled option?
- If anyone has any additional theories or information about this frame it would be greatly appreciated
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Thanks for the kind words.
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Very nice frame!!!
Already has a Dura Ace headset - the die is cast….
Already has a Dura Ace headset - the die is cast….
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Haha I agree!
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Hey,
Great frameset! don't let the Tange tubing name throw you off. That frame is excellent and the ride quality is excellent as well. Putting Dura Ace on this is NOT an overkill.
Enjoy!
JJ
Great frameset! don't let the Tange tubing name throw you off. That frame is excellent and the ride quality is excellent as well. Putting Dura Ace on this is NOT an overkill.
Enjoy!
JJ
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Cheers!
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Tange 1 was their top tubing, until Prestige cameout. deserves Dura ace
The Retrogrouch: Classic Tubes: Tange and Ishiwata
The Retrogrouch: Classic Tubes: Tange and Ishiwata
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Tange 1 was their top tubing, until Prestige cameout. deserves Dura ace
The Retrogrouch: Classic Tubes: Tange and Ishiwata
The Retrogrouch: Classic Tubes: Tange and Ishiwata
Makes sense! I worked in advertising for about 10 years so I should have been more thoughtful about what numbers/names actually mean haha (hint: it's larger margins).
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And I wanted to provide an update!
Here she is...
Here she is...
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Very nicely done!
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Man, that is gorgeous. I love the colors. The blue housing looks great. I would have a hard time deciding between red bar tape and blue bar tape. I would probably keep switching back and forth.
How is the ride?
How is the ride?
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I'll let you know how the ride is soon! It's been a bit chilly and very wet this spring but things are looking better next week.