Just Plain Stupid - An Old Fella's Opinion...
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You've heard of the ass-hatchet... that second bike features the ass-machete, when the sketchy weld mod fails. And possibly an end of the line for men as far as further offspring goes. Regarding the rotated drops, I always find intriguing the positive feedback aspect of heavy braking, combined with the rider's high center of gravity. Further Darwinian opportunity for foreshortening the family lineage, of chimps with tools.
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BTW, I still say the premise is flawed for that Smarter Every Day episode on the backward bike.
It isn't harder to ride because of anything to do with our brains or learned skills. It's harder to ride because it defies physics and human ergonomics. Nobody would design a bike like that and ride it for long. A dumb design has nothing to do with unlearning or relearning, other than to make a pedantic point about acquiring a useless skill.
It isn't harder to ride because of anything to do with our brains or learned skills. It's harder to ride because it defies physics and human ergonomics. Nobody would design a bike like that and ride it for long. A dumb design has nothing to do with unlearning or relearning, other than to make a pedantic point about acquiring a useless skill.
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I have thought about building one of those backwards bikes. It would be pretty interesting to try to ride one at least. When I get in trouble on a bike, I remind myself the bike knows how to stay up better than I do. Not sure if that would help in this case or not. We stay upright on a bike by keeping the contact points with the ground under our center of gravity -- on average. This is done by both steering and leaning.
The welding on this one is horrible, but it probably served its purpose.
The welding on this one is horrible, but it probably served its purpose.
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Regarding the bike in post #1 : Ride it no-hands. Don't look at the bars.
Regarding learned skills, etc. If you hang around guys who fly stunts (3-d) with RC model helicopters and airplanes, you realize that from the pilot's point of view, some of the controls become "reversed" when the aircraft is flying toward him, or upside down, or both. Yet they quickly, repeatedly and seamlessly change flight orientations and make the aircraft do amazing things. And sometimes crash suddenly when they get confused.
Regarding learned skills, etc. If you hang around guys who fly stunts (3-d) with RC model helicopters and airplanes, you realize that from the pilot's point of view, some of the controls become "reversed" when the aircraft is flying toward him, or upside down, or both. Yet they quickly, repeatedly and seamlessly change flight orientations and make the aircraft do amazing things. And sometimes crash suddenly when they get confused.
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Regarding learned skills, etc. If you hang around guys who fly stunts (3-d) with RC model helicopters and airplanes, you realize that from the pilot's point of view, some of the controls become "reversed" when the aircraft is flying toward him, or upside down, or both. Yet they quickly, repeatedly and seamlessly change flight orientations and make the aircraft do amazing things. And sometimes crash suddenly when they get confused.
-Kurt
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One could argue the same point about the design of a bicycle in the first place. Why is the human rider and center of gravity placed so high on a balancing vehicle? Why aren't the wheels large enough to place the axles are above the rider's center of gravity, and the rider slung below the axles?
It's all about how you perceive it, which tends to justify his point that our brains interpret things with an inherent (learned?) bias.
-Kurt
It's all about how you perceive it, which tends to justify his point that our brains interpret things with an inherent (learned?) bias.
-Kurt
Circus acrobats know this trick.
Of course if you are sitting astride a high-wheeler, you will fall a lot farther if you do fall. Ouch.
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I flew RC sailplanes BITD. Never had confusion about control sense... I just visualized myself in the aircraft. Only issue would be if a tumble, or obstruction of view by e.g. sunlight left the direction of the aircraft temporarily in doubt. However, its response to the controls quickly re-established the correct orientation. Sometimes these buggers would climb so high in a thermal, that not only was the orientation completely academic, due to the craft's being a mere speck in the sky, but it would exceed the range of the transmitter, and eventually tumble or otherwise errantly manoeuver its way back into range, but with ambiguous orientation, until control sense re-established which direction it was actually pointed.
There existed a slight risk of overstressing the structure, while re-establishing control sense on such occasions, but it never happened to me or anyone I knew.
There existed a slight risk of overstressing the structure, while re-establishing control sense on such occasions, but it never happened to me or anyone I knew.
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If your unfounded opinion were accurate, a person could train themselves to ride the backwards bike, then go back and forth between regular and backwards. But we can't. It is 100% learned skill, just as riding a bicycle in the conventional fashion is 100% learned skill. The way our brain works, you have to unlearn one to learn the other. It's not like being ambidextrous. Riding the backwards bike takes a completely different skillset than riding a conventional one. If it wasn't a matter of learning/unlearning, the son who figured it out significantly faster (due to having better neural plasticity) would have taken the same amount of time as the father.
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I remember an episode of candid camera where a car was modified to steer backwards and a lady tried to get people to help her parallel park. No one could do it.
Bikes are even harder. Why climb mountains? Because they're there.
Bikes are even harder. Why climb mountains? Because they're there.
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We saw one like this at a fair in a small village in England once. The fair was a fund raiser for some cause and the bike made a good contribution as no one we saw could go more than a couple of feet before falling over. I have since come up with the theory that reversing or crossing my arms on the bars might work. It's a reasonable theory for an ignoramus to carry around.