What More do I Need for Short Excursions?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
What More do I Need for Short Excursions?
Hello,
I've read some of the posts here on this site but would like to ask a couple of specific question.
I'm currently in the military (lately I've been questioning if that's a good fit for my personality), I have about 5 years left. One day I'd like to do some bike touring, lasting weeks to months perhaps. In the meantime I'd like to get a feel for it around my current location. I have a good deal of lightweight camping equipment I'd like to use for it.
Last year I bought a Felt Breed gravel bike in order to try to help me maintain my fitness level for the military PT test since I can't run as much as I could a few years ago due to injuries. Anyway, here are my questions:
1. Is my bike, pictured below, a good choice for touring in the short term? I might upgrade a few years down the road but for now I assume it's a good choice?
2. What brands and models would you recommend for side bags?
Thank you very much!
I've read some of the posts here on this site but would like to ask a couple of specific question.
I'm currently in the military (lately I've been questioning if that's a good fit for my personality), I have about 5 years left. One day I'd like to do some bike touring, lasting weeks to months perhaps. In the meantime I'd like to get a feel for it around my current location. I have a good deal of lightweight camping equipment I'd like to use for it.
Last year I bought a Felt Breed gravel bike in order to try to help me maintain my fitness level for the military PT test since I can't run as much as I could a few years ago due to injuries. Anyway, here are my questions:
1. Is my bike, pictured below, a good choice for touring in the short term? I might upgrade a few years down the road but for now I assume it's a good choice?
2. What brands and models would you recommend for side bags?
Thank you very much!
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,612
Bikes: Corvid Sojourner, Surly Ice Cream Truck, Co-Motion Divide, Co-Motion Java Tandem, Salsa Warbird, Salsa Beargrease, Carver Tandem
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 533 Post(s)
Liked 435 Times
in
227 Posts
the lack of brazeons will make it hard to racks so I suggest the best way to maximize what you can carry is with front and rear bags (carradice style) and a frame pack with a long top tube pack. I will post photos when I find them
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,612
Bikes: Corvid Sojourner, Surly Ice Cream Truck, Co-Motion Divide, Co-Motion Java Tandem, Salsa Warbird, Salsa Beargrease, Carver Tandem
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 533 Post(s)
Liked 435 Times
in
227 Posts
example: carradice nelson saddle bag
https://www.benscycle.com/Carradice-...oaArJVEALw_wcB
teardrop handlebar bag
https://www.bagsxbird.com/product-page/teardrop
Revelate frame bag
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde.../fullframebags
Jpacks top tube bag
Top Tube Storage ? JPaks LLC
https://www.benscycle.com/Carradice-...oaArJVEALw_wcB
teardrop handlebar bag
https://www.bagsxbird.com/product-page/teardrop
Revelate frame bag
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde.../fullframebags
Jpacks top tube bag
Top Tube Storage ? JPaks LLC
#4
Senior Member
Thread Starter
These things look cool, looking forward to doing a few overnighters.
Anyway, thank you very much for your help!
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 11,182
Bikes: 1961 Ideor, 1966 Perfekt 3 Speed AB Hub, 1994 Bridgestone MB-6, 2006 Airnimal Joey, 2009 Thorn Sherpa, 2013 Thorn Nomad MkII, 2015 VO Pass Hunter, 2017 Lynskey Backroad, 2017 Raleigh Gran Prix, 1980s Bianchi Mixte on a trainer. Others are now gone.
Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3454 Post(s)
Liked 1,454 Times
in
1,133 Posts
For the Nelson saddle bag, the long flap version has more overflow space if you buy more groceries than you planned.
You are military, you have camping gear, you know how it works. Put all your stuff in a box, measure the amount of space consumed, convert that to liters, then you know how much capacity your bags have to hold.
Do you have a GPS? Some of us rely on them for navigation, some use paper maps and compass, it is personal preference.
If you are going to tour for weeks to months, the amount of stuff you carry will vary a lot on how light weight you want to camp, which in part is dependent on the weather. I think most people would prefer to use at least one set of rear panniers with a capacity of 40 liters for the pair, plus a few other smaller bags, but those panniers need a rack.
You are military, you have camping gear, you know how it works. Put all your stuff in a box, measure the amount of space consumed, convert that to liters, then you know how much capacity your bags have to hold.
Do you have a GPS? Some of us rely on them for navigation, some use paper maps and compass, it is personal preference.
If you are going to tour for weeks to months, the amount of stuff you carry will vary a lot on how light weight you want to camp, which in part is dependent on the weather. I think most people would prefer to use at least one set of rear panniers with a capacity of 40 liters for the pair, plus a few other smaller bags, but those panniers need a rack.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,173
Bikes: Surly Disk Trucker, 2014 w/Brooks Flyer Special saddle, Tubus racks - Duo front/Logo Evo rear, 2019 Dahon Mariner D8, Both bikes share Ortlieb Packer Plus series panniers, Garmin Edge 1000
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 405 Post(s)
Liked 115 Times
in
99 Posts
It may be possible to get a rear rack on the bike by clamping the vertical uprights and a bracket mounted to the seat post to anchor the horizontal braces of the rack. I have a Tubus rear rack that has adjustable bar horizontal braces that would be able to extend quite a bit to position a rack. There may be some options there.
It would make sense to me to at least have a rear rack on the bike. On top of that - getting your load down on the sides of the rack to drop your center of gravity would be very wise. When I started doing long day trips I started with a backpack on the top of my rack. It was hard to ride that way. Then I switched to dry sacks - the kind that are used kayaking - and dropped them off the sides. It made all the difference in the world in handling, even though all the gear was on the back.
Bikepacking techniques as mentioned before with the frame bag etc might better suit your style, though.
You gots lotsa options. What ever route you go - get out, ride, and enjoy!
It would make sense to me to at least have a rear rack on the bike. On top of that - getting your load down on the sides of the rack to drop your center of gravity would be very wise. When I started doing long day trips I started with a backpack on the top of my rack. It was hard to ride that way. Then I switched to dry sacks - the kind that are used kayaking - and dropped them off the sides. It made all the difference in the world in handling, even though all the gear was on the back.
Bikepacking techniques as mentioned before with the frame bag etc might better suit your style, though.
You gots lotsa options. What ever route you go - get out, ride, and enjoy!
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,612
Bikes: Corvid Sojourner, Surly Ice Cream Truck, Co-Motion Divide, Co-Motion Java Tandem, Salsa Warbird, Salsa Beargrease, Carver Tandem
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 533 Post(s)
Liked 435 Times
in
227 Posts
This is a pretty good article on Saddle Bags - no need for racks
https://bikepacking.com/gear/saddleb...-rolltop-bags/
https://bikepacking.com/gear/saddleb...-rolltop-bags/
#8
Senior Member
you maybe can forego the rear rack altogether.
assume you'll be on paved surfaces, not on narrow trails or single track.
consider a front low-rider with front bags (or the smallest rear bags).
combine that with a triangle frame pack and a small saddle pack.
if not comfortable mounting a lowrider to a carbon fork, you can
pick up a steel fork on ebay (even if only for touring).
you may have trouble finding a suitable (cheap) thru axle fork,
but then you might want to switch from 24-spoke wheels to
something a little more robust. (24 or 28?)
32/48 - 11/34 gearing? my knees would not like that with
any sort of load in the hills.
assume you'll be on paved surfaces, not on narrow trails or single track.
consider a front low-rider with front bags (or the smallest rear bags).
combine that with a triangle frame pack and a small saddle pack.
if not comfortable mounting a lowrider to a carbon fork, you can
pick up a steel fork on ebay (even if only for touring).
you may have trouble finding a suitable (cheap) thru axle fork,
but then you might want to switch from 24-spoke wheels to
something a little more robust. (24 or 28?)
32/48 - 11/34 gearing? my knees would not like that with
any sort of load in the hills.
Likes For saddlesores:
#9
Clark W. Griswold
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 13,467
Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Phil Wood Apple VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), R+M Supercharger2 Rohloff, Habanero Ti 26
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4335 Post(s)
Liked 3,958 Times
in
2,646 Posts
I am very happy with my Oveja Negra Frame bag and probably would more of their product in the future but currently do not need another seat bag and I have my Swift Industries Ozette Rando Bag at the front (at least one one bike) and love that (and it looks like they partnered with Oveja Negra for some bags as well which is awesome)
My current seat bag is the Topeak Backloader 16L and it has been just fine (and it looks like they have improved it since I got it). Though part of me would rather have a full waterproof bag but so far I don't really need it at this time. I also picked up a full size Salsa frame bag for my Salsa Timberjack Ti (as in made for the model and size) as it was on a deep closeout sale and for no other really good reason. I figure I could do some bike packing on my MTB at some point so why not just have it around.
I do like my rack and bag set up for touring (Arkel GT-54s and custom made Dry Bag front panniers with Arkel hardware) and it is nice to be able to really load up but I love having the frame bag set up for shorter stuff and commuting (as I don't need to carry laptop or shoes or really much more than a shirt and pants and maybe a few small items)
My current seat bag is the Topeak Backloader 16L and it has been just fine (and it looks like they have improved it since I got it). Though part of me would rather have a full waterproof bag but so far I don't really need it at this time. I also picked up a full size Salsa frame bag for my Salsa Timberjack Ti (as in made for the model and size) as it was on a deep closeout sale and for no other really good reason. I figure I could do some bike packing on my MTB at some point so why not just have it around.
I do like my rack and bag set up for touring (Arkel GT-54s and custom made Dry Bag front panniers with Arkel hardware) and it is nice to be able to really load up but I love having the frame bag set up for shorter stuff and commuting (as I don't need to carry laptop or shoes or really much more than a shirt and pants and maybe a few small items)
#10
Easily Led Astray
If you have concerns about pedaling your bike around the hills of VT, I suggest you start by investigating changing your gearing and riding for fitness until you can easily climb VT hills unloaded. Stronger wheels with a higher spoke count may also be needed, especially in the rear, where most of your weight will be carried. If the cost estimates for these two changes become significant, it may be wiser to simply buy a touring bike. I have put thousands of miles on my Surly Long Haul Trucker, but there are lots of touring bike options available.
There are plenty of good suggestions for ways to pack and carry your gear regardless of the bike you choose. When I first started touring in 2013, I found a website for ultra lightweight touring and I suggest that you start with this philosophy: The less stuff you carry, the lighter your bike and the easier it will be to pedal. Evaluate every item you intend to take. Ask yourself the question: "Do I absolutely need this?" Recognize that unless you're touring in some desolate off-road areas, you can usually find plenty of supplies along the way and if you have a major mechanical, there are plenty of cars and trucks traveling on your route that will carry you and your bike to the next town. I actually had someone drive me and my bike to a campground and return the next morning with tools and hardware to fix a broken rack mount.
Bike touring is an amazing experience.
There are plenty of good suggestions for ways to pack and carry your gear regardless of the bike you choose. When I first started touring in 2013, I found a website for ultra lightweight touring and I suggest that you start with this philosophy: The less stuff you carry, the lighter your bike and the easier it will be to pedal. Evaluate every item you intend to take. Ask yourself the question: "Do I absolutely need this?" Recognize that unless you're touring in some desolate off-road areas, you can usually find plenty of supplies along the way and if you have a major mechanical, there are plenty of cars and trucks traveling on your route that will carry you and your bike to the next town. I actually had someone drive me and my bike to a campground and return the next morning with tools and hardware to fix a broken rack mount.
Bike touring is an amazing experience.
__________________
Opinions are like noses, everybody has one.
#11
Senior Member
Ride with GPS can be a good resource for routes from little local loops to epics. Groton State Park has some nice gravel trails and is part of the Cross Vermont Trail which runs from Burlington to Wells River, mostly on flattish roads and trails. I would agree with the advice about robust (think 'nobust') wheels, and gearing down to ~19" considering the real radius with tires.
Good luck
Good luck
#12
Member
You don't need braze-ons (eyelets) to mount a front or rear rack for a bag or panniers. You can do it with p-clamps. You may have eyelets on the inside of your seat stays as we can't see from the profile picture. There are also rear racks that can attach without eyelets. Just Google a bit and you'll find them.
Good luck.
Good luck.
#13
Senior Member
It is possible to camp really light if you want to. A very lightly loaded bike is a joy on tour. By the way, you don't have to fall into the crazy money pit of really expensive gear either. Ultralight is possible on a modest budget and you can pack light enough to be pretty unburdened. I have experimented with various light setups ranging from 8-22 pounds of gear and none of them included a lot of super expensive gear. I rode San Diego to Pensacola with a 14# base with a fairly low budget gear setup.
#15
Senior Member