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Old 05-18-21, 08:26 PM
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Cyclist killed in Montreal

A 50-year-old died in hospital after she was struck by a vehicle while cycling on l’Anse-à-L’Orme near Senneville Road on Tuesday at the border of Senneville and Pierrefonds.
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Witness statements obtained by police indicate the vehicle was heading south on l’Anse-à-L’Orme, while the cyclist was going North. Brabant explained the crash happened after the vehicle, for an unknown reason, continued on its trajectory in a curve hitting the cyclist.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7873095/c...d-pierrefonds/

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l’Anse-à-L’Orme road and Senneville
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4478...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 05-20-21, 06:05 AM
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I ride that stretch of road frequently, so I know it well. The bike lanes on either side of the road give the impression to drivers that it is a highway even though the speed limit is 50 kph. Speeding is common, I have been passed by drivers doing twice the legal limit. That curve is much gentler than the photo seems to show, no reason for a car to go off into the trees. We ride our mountain bikes in the woods on either side of the road. Yesterday I saw city crews installing pylons to divide the bike lanes from the rest of the road. A friend of mine also told me that he saw police setting up a speed trap. Too bad they weren't there a couple of days earlier
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This story is tragic and horrible. There are so many of us who cycle that stretch of road, which one would think to be comparatively safe considering the width, the speed limit, and the bike lane shoulders. But then there are drivers like this one out there. Does anyone know the follow up to this news story and whether the investigation turned up anything that led to charges being laid against her?
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Originally Posted by KC56
This story is tragic and horrible. There are so many of us who cycle that stretch of road, which one would think to be comparatively safe considering the width, the speed limit, and the bike lane shoulders. But then there are drivers like this one out there. Does anyone know the follow up to this news story and whether the investigation turned up anything that led to charges being laid against her?
If drivers are already speeding on that stretch of the road, then I doubt there will be charges laid.

If the victim had been in a car, then you know that there would have been charges.
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Old 07-01-21, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4
If drivers are already speeding on that stretch of the road, then I doubt there will be charges laid.

If the victim had been in a car, then you know that there would have been charges.
Not true. Several years ago a car with several teenagers inside missed another gentle curve about 1.5 km south of this one and ran off the road at high speed and hit a tree killing all of the people in the car. Nothing has been done since then. This last death may not change anything either. One problem with this road is that it traverses 3 municipalities and nobody seems to want to take responsibility
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Brabant explained the crash happened after the vehicle, for an unknown reason, continued on its trajectory in a curve hitting the cyclist.

Driver was texting.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Driver was texting.
Aren't they all texting?
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
Aren't they all texting?
Yes, according to the Oujia board reading, fear baiting "safety experts" of A&S.
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Old 07-02-21, 03:55 PM
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Driver was texting.
If they were it is unlikely that the police checked there cell phone for evidence.

Yes, according to the Oujia board reading, fear baiting "safety experts" of A&S.
I-Like-To-Bike: I have been side swiped by someone texting. Any kind of distraction going into a curve could cause injury or death. I don't use cell phones while driving and believe people who do are naive.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Brabant explained the crash happened after the vehicle, for an unknown reason, continued on its trajectory in a curve hitting the cyclist.

Driver was texting.
If it was indeed established that the driver was texting, which is something I think many of us suspected immediately upon hearing the circumstances of this accident, then why wouldn’t the driver be charged with dangerous driving or careless driving causing death? A cyclist lost her life and if the police know the driver was texting then jail time on one of those charges should be the result.
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If it was indeed established that the driver was texting, which is something I think many of us suspected immediately upon hearing the circumstances of this accident, then why wouldn’t the driver be charged with dangerous driving or careless driving causing death? A cyclist lost her life and if the police know the driver was texting then jail time on one of those charges should be the result.
We will probably never know the cause of the collision. I have seen reports on dozens of collisions involving the deaths of bicyclists and pedestrians. The police are the ones who determine weather an investigation or charges happen. The politicks of the people in charge determine weather the police have the right to do their job. Insurance companies are also heavily involved in these decisions.
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Old 07-03-21, 07:00 PM
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A man riding a bicycle was killed a few months back. The driver who killed him was traveling south on Boulevard Papineau. He told police he lost control of his vehicle and crossed Boulevard Saint-Joseph. Witnesses say the car rolled over several times before hitting Maxime Levesque, a 33 year old Frenchman. The car also struck a tree which is visibly damaged and the driver was himself severely injured and taken to the hospital in critical condition.

I know the area Papineau is a very busy road and the speed limit is 40 km/h (25 mph). It's pretty obvious the driver was speeding if he lost control, flipped his car and ended up seriously injuring himself in a collision with a tree with no other cars involved.

The accident happened at 10:50 am. At that time cars are allowed to park in the right lane. So there is only one lane of traffic in each direction. But there is a no stopping zone at the end of the block and a bus stop. Aggressive drivers often use this bit of right lane to pass. That is probably what happened. The driver of the SUV used the right lane to run the light and struck the cyclist who was riding on the right shoulder.

Here is the exact location of the "accident" on Google maps. The tree where Mr. Levesque's body was covered by a tarp is almost 200 feet past the intersection where the driver says he lost control. .

As I was looking at pictures from different news outlets I noticed that next to the car is a second yellow tarp. There is a big yellow tarp on the sidewalk. In the video you can see first responders holding up more tarps as the dead man's body is removed. But next to the driver's door is a smaller tarp that is also removed in later pictures.

Unfortunately the police and the media provide very little information. I haven't heard about any charges being laid against the maniac driver.





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I haven't heard about any charges being laid against the maniac driver.
If the victim had been in another motor vehicle, you know the driver would have been charged.
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
I ride that stretch of road frequently, so I know it well. The bike lanes on either side of the road give the impression to drivers that it is a highway even though the speed limit is 50 kph. Speeding is common, I have been passed by drivers doing twice the legal limit. That curve is much gentler than the photo seems to show, no reason for a car to go off into the trees. We ride our mountain bikes in the woods on either side of the road. Yesterday I saw city crews installing pylons to divide the bike lanes from the rest of the road. A friend of mine also told me that he saw police setting up a speed trap. Too bad they weren't there a couple of days earlier
Drivers are stupid.
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Such sad news...
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Originally Posted by KC56
If it was indeed established that the driver was texting, which is something I think many of us suspected immediately upon hearing the circumstances of this accident, then why wouldn’t the driver be charged with dangerous driving or careless driving causing death? A cyclist lost her life and if the police know the driver was texting then jail time on one of those charges should be the result.
Why else would the driver fail to navigate the curve?

Brabant said the investigation will look at all possible explanations, including examining the woman's car for any mechanical issues and her phone to see if she was texting. Police will also try to determine if she was intoxicated, he said.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Why else would the driver fail to navigate the curve?

Brabant said the investigation will look at all possible explanations, including examining the woman's car for any mechanical issues and her phone to see if she was texting. Police will also try to determine if she was intoxicated, he said.
No need to do any investigation.
IAW the Oujia board reading, fear baiting "safety experts" of A&S the cause of every collision past, present and future is already known; stupid drivers who are texting were, are and will always be the cause of every collision. In addition the verdict is already predetermined if the injured party is a cyclist or a pedestrian - if the "stupid driver" is even charged with any serious offense: Not Guilty! : Case Closed!
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What is the obtuse world you live in?
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Originally Posted by prj71
What is the obtuse world you live in?
The world where not every driver is texting and where not every collision is the result of a texting driver, despite what the A&S fear mongering choir "knowingly" chants to each other before and after every report of a collision.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Brabant explained the crash happened after the vehicle, for an unknown reason, continued on its trajectory in a curve hitting the cyclist.

Driver was texting.
Probably. Police should check the killer's phone for messages.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
The world where not every driver is texting and where not every collision is the result of a texting driver, despite what the A&S fear mongering choir "knowingly" chants to each other before and after every report of a collision.
I don't know what this A & S fear mongering choir is that you are referring to.

But my bets are the driver was busy texting. Why is it unreasonable to assume that?
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Originally Posted by prj71
I don't know what this A & S fear mongering choir is that you are referring to.

But my bets are the driver was busy texting. Why is it unreasonable to assume that?

It's reasonable to suspect it. Assuming it is ridiculous, people missed curves long before cell phones were invented.

TBH, I don't know what's more annoying about these threads, the knee jerk reactions or the knee jerk reactions to the knee jerk reactions.

The thing that bothers me is it seems to break down to "it's always cell phones" vs. " cell phones aren't a serious problem. " Both sides are dead wrong.

Sure looks like some really bad road design here, but that's not as fun to get on a moral high horse sbput.

Also, we really don't know how fast the driver was going. Please someone try to explain why we wouldn't care as much if it just turns out to be speeding that caused it. And I double dare anyone to claim most drivers don't speed.
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If the details emerge on this incident, my bets are the driver was texting. You just don't miss navigating a curve and hit a biker unless you are texting, intoxicated or have some other distraction.

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Originally Posted by prj71
If the details emerge on this incident, my bets are the driver was texting. You just don't miss navigating a curve and hit a biker unless you are texting, intoxicated or have some other distraction.
Or you are driving too fast, or your tire blew, or the road was deceptively slippery, or...

Without facts, your bet is no better than anyone else's. Also, you keep shifting between "betting on" and "assuming". Those are not the same thing.
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Road design is not a factor in this accident. The road is wide, pavement is smooth, the curve is gentle, there are no intersections nearby, the speed limit is 50 kph and a driver could easily negotiate the curve at twice that speed. the weather was warm and dry and traffic on the road is light at the time the crash occurred.
I rode by the accident site when the first responders were still attending the driver and cyclist. Damage to the car was not all severe enough to indicate a high speed crash

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