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11-20-20, 01:51 PM
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Dad flew F-15s, then F-106s for the drone program out at Holloman, and then finished up as a flight instructor in T-38s and T-37s. I think by this point he's seen pretty much every mistake you can make in an airplane so he's got a good head on his shoulders. I mean, he taught me how to fly and I've made it out unscathed (and the airplanes too, mostly
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11-20-20, 01:59 PM
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Always a consideration.
The picture should be no surprise in a country already suffering from an epidemic of "deaths of despair," addiction, chronic pain, obesity, etc. and dead set on ignoring other obvious and terrifying realities. People aren't stupid, I think they are simply overloaded, and no amount of prescribing, proscribing, shaming, or yelling is going to change their behavior. I just hope they're willing to be vaccinated.
The picture should be no surprise in a country already suffering from an epidemic of "deaths of despair," addiction, chronic pain, obesity, etc. and dead set on ignoring other obvious and terrifying realities. People aren't stupid, I think they are simply overloaded, and no amount of prescribing, proscribing, shaming, or yelling is going to change their behavior. I just hope they're willing to be vaccinated.
Honestly, though, a lot of us have radically reduced our social interactions, stopped going out to eat, don't go to movie theaters, don't go to the mall, etc. It's a chore, but we do it. I've got very limited patience for the idea that people are 'overloaded'. Sure it's not easy, but they'll live. Or at least, they will if they don't wimp out.
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11-20-20, 02:08 PM
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I was born at Langley, then we went to Holloman -> Sheppard -> Winnipeg (flying a desk for NORAD), then back to Sheppard.
Dad flew F-15s, then F-106s for the drone program out at Holloman, and then finished up as a flight instructor in T-38s and T-37s. I think by this point he's seen pretty much every mistake you can make in an airplane so he's got a good head on his shoulders. I mean, he taught me how to fly and I've made it out unscathed (and the airplanes too, mostly).
Dad flew F-15s, then F-106s for the drone program out at Holloman, and then finished up as a flight instructor in T-38s and T-37s. I think by this point he's seen pretty much every mistake you can make in an airplane so he's got a good head on his shoulders. I mean, he taught me how to fly and I've made it out unscathed (and the airplanes too, mostly
).
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The GOOD news is that universal vaccination isn't necessary to radically reduce the prevalance of the virus. We thought about this a lot when I was in HIV Vaccine research, thinking about the effect of a vaccine with maybe only 50% efficacy. Every missed opportunity for transmission makes a difference, so even if it's only 60% of people who get vaccinated, it may be enough to reduce Reff well below 1. Fewer opportunities for transmission = fewer new infections per infected person, and prevalence falls, meaning there are even fewer opportunities.
Because COVID is less easily transmitted than, say, measles, even relatively low compliance would make a HUGE difference. But assuming the FDA is still independent after January, I'll be in line to get my shot(s).
Because COVID is less easily transmitted than, say, measles, even relatively low compliance would make a HUGE difference. But assuming the FDA is still independent after January, I'll be in line to get my shot(s).
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11-20-20, 02:20 PM
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Yeah, that's why it's become a recently established family tradition - they know that everybody has other places to be and traditional meals to eat, so they go with a change of pace that we all enjoy. It doesn't make the issue of being over-stuffed any easier, though.
11-20-20, 02:25 PM
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The GOOD news is that universal vaccination isn't necessary to radically reduce the prevalance of the virus. We thought about this a lot when I was in HIV Vaccine research, thinking about the effect of a vaccine with maybe only 50% efficacy. Every missed opportunity for transmission makes a difference, so even if it's only 60% of people who get vaccinated, it may be enough to reduce Reff well below 1. Fewer opportunities for transmission = fewer new infections per infected person, and prevalence falls, meaning there are even fewer opportunities.
Because COVID is less easily transmitted than, say, measles, even relatively low compliance would make a HUGE difference. But assuming the FDA is still independent after January, I'll be in line to get my shot(s).
Because COVID is less easily transmitted than, say, measles, even relatively low compliance would make a HUGE difference. But assuming the FDA is still independent after January, I'll be in line to get my shot(s).
11-20-20, 02:35 PM
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11-20-20, 02:37 PM
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At this point, I'm willing to let them bloviate while I point at them and laugh, loudly and unmasked.
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11-20-20, 02:40 PM
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11-20-20, 02:40 PM
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We used to get fresh cider every fall. You had to drink it fairly soon after purchase, even refrigerated. But it really, really is better than pasteurized, or filtered apple juice. And I say that as someone whom the apple industry supported from the age of 3 till I left home at 21.
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11-20-20, 02:43 PM
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11-20-20, 02:51 PM
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11-20-20, 02:55 PM
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11-20-20, 03:00 PM
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11-20-20, 03:17 PM
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11-20-20, 03:24 PM
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Assumes facts not in evidence.
Honestly, though, a lot of us have radically reduced our social interactions, stopped going out to eat, don't go to movie theaters, don't go to the mall, etc. It's a chore, but we do it. I've got very limited patience for the idea that people are 'overloaded'. Sure it's not easy, but they'll live. Or at least, they will if they don't wimp out.
Honestly, though, a lot of us have radically reduced our social interactions, stopped going out to eat, don't go to movie theaters, don't go to the mall, etc. It's a chore, but we do it. I've got very limited patience for the idea that people are 'overloaded'. Sure it's not easy, but they'll live. Or at least, they will if they don't wimp out.
11-20-20, 03:25 PM
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11-20-20, 03:31 PM
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So what happens when a country like China adopts a policy of mandatory (forced) vaccinations until, theoretically, they eventually eliminate the virus in their country? . . . . while at the same time a "free will" country like, let's say America, allows individuals to decide whether to take vaccinations? Will the free-will country eventually become sicker and weaker, unable to function effectively due to the ravages of the virus?
Makes you wonder, eh?
Makes you wonder, eh?
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11-20-20, 03:37 PM
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So what happens when a country like China adopts a policy of mandatory (forced) vaccinations until, theoretically, they eventually eliminate the virus in their country? . . . . while at the same time a "free will" country like, let's say America, allows individuals to decide whether to take vaccinations? Will the free-will country eventually become sicker and weaker, unable to function effectively due to the ravages of the virus?
Makes you wonder, eh?
Makes you wonder, eh?
There are other things I'd worry about first, like the (horrible) efficiency of authoritarianism vs the (also horrible) lurching randomness of a democracy switching direction every few years, and how it allows the authoritarian country to eventually lock down the world economically.
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11-20-20, 03:49 PM
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11-20-20, 04:16 PM
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Depending on the long-term, it may not be enough to show up at that scale - if the vaccine takes half the population out of the running to get sick, and most people both have no symptoms and eventually get over the longer symptoms when they do have them, we're not looking at a huge knock-down of the economy. Certainly, you'd have to turn around and also account for pollution and nutrition issues in a country like China as well.
There are other things I'd worry about first, like the (horrible) efficiency of authoritarianism vs the (also horrible) lurching randomness of a democracy switching direction every few years, and how it allows the authoritarian country to eventually lock down the world economically.
There are other things I'd worry about first, like the (horrible) efficiency of authoritarianism vs the (also horrible) lurching randomness of a democracy switching direction every few years, and how it allows the authoritarian country to eventually lock down the world economically.
As for the authoritarian country, yeah, they're at an advantage.
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