race rig porn - show me your bike!
#2704
Batüwü Creakcreak
AT: Looks sweet!
2Stroke: Is that the smallest size?
2Stroke: Is that the smallest size?
#2706
Snail-paced new boy
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cheshire, England
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Bikes: Colnago Extreme Power, Ribble Winter
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#2707
#2709
going roundy round
The 2011 model.
It took a while for for to get up the nerve to finally cut the seat mast. I must have measured 30 times.
Hoping for some Joe's Pro/Texas mojo.
It took a while for for to get up the nerve to finally cut the seat mast. I must have measured 30 times.
Hoping for some Joe's Pro/Texas mojo.
#2710
Batüwü Creakcreak
So hot.
#2717
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: WW
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here's my report i posted previously on another forum.
I played a bit of hookie (it was my birthday) yesterday to demo the Mad Fiber (“MF”) wheels.
My goal of demo-ing new wheels is very specific: to subjectively find a "wow" in the stiffness, spin-up, and areo properties over my existing Edge 45c/Alchemy Elf/Orc/high tensioned CX-Ray spokes wheels (“Edge”). My criteria rationale:
* Super stiff: I ride a custom steel/s3 fame with Reynolds UL fork which races best with super stiff wheels;
* Fast spin-up: I race crits and non-hilly road races. Having an advantage to cover breaks and form attacks more efficiently than others is a nicety I seek.
* Aero (as occasionally i'll do ITTs, etc). Having aerodynamics efficiencies over an individual time trial event is another nicety I seek.
Analysis: MF vs. Edge
* Stiffness: I prefer Edge over MF. MF seemed stiff with a very nice ride quality; but the Edges seem much stiffer. My Edges are hand-built to be super stiff based on my body type, bike type and use. The builder spoked it 20/24 with high tension and I weigh 135lbs.
* Spin-up: I believe MF and Edge are similar. MF spun-up nicely, especially when you consider they're 60mm fronts and 66mm rear rim heights; but my edges spin up nicely too.
* Aero: It seems MF has an aero advantage over Edge. MF, with its 60mm front/66mm rear rim profile, were fast considering my power output (via SRM measurements) on the flats and roller section of the ride. If I was an ITT specialist, I believe MFs could make a difference. Now the Edges @ 45mm are aero when compared to my 23mm trainers, but bottom line the MF's win here.
Summary: My choice criteria are ranked 1) stiffness > 2) fast spin-up > 3) areo, and therefore I'll stick with my Edge's for this race season.
What would MF need to do to win me over?
* Increase stiffness! Maybe MF could widen the hub flanges like Alchemy and/or increase the spoke count. Subjectively my trainers less stiff than my Edges. My trainers have white industries hubs (same as on MF), Kinlin xr200 hoops, and same spoke count/type/tension as my Edges. Here again subjectively, I used to have Rolf Elans had a paired spokes similar to MF’s design which seemed a lot less stiff than the trainers I have now.
Who do I think would "love" MF wheels?
* People riding super carbon road bikes: why? MFs are stiff enough to be responsive...but not jaw dropping like my Edges. I could see MFs being a very nice complement to a super carbon/super stiff bb30 bottom bracket, tapered headtubes, oversized down tube, blah blah blah...I bet the combination would ride really really nice. just my two cents.
I played a bit of hookie (it was my birthday) yesterday to demo the Mad Fiber (“MF”) wheels.
My goal of demo-ing new wheels is very specific: to subjectively find a "wow" in the stiffness, spin-up, and areo properties over my existing Edge 45c/Alchemy Elf/Orc/high tensioned CX-Ray spokes wheels (“Edge”). My criteria rationale:
* Super stiff: I ride a custom steel/s3 fame with Reynolds UL fork which races best with super stiff wheels;
* Fast spin-up: I race crits and non-hilly road races. Having an advantage to cover breaks and form attacks more efficiently than others is a nicety I seek.
* Aero (as occasionally i'll do ITTs, etc). Having aerodynamics efficiencies over an individual time trial event is another nicety I seek.
Analysis: MF vs. Edge
* Stiffness: I prefer Edge over MF. MF seemed stiff with a very nice ride quality; but the Edges seem much stiffer. My Edges are hand-built to be super stiff based on my body type, bike type and use. The builder spoked it 20/24 with high tension and I weigh 135lbs.
* Spin-up: I believe MF and Edge are similar. MF spun-up nicely, especially when you consider they're 60mm fronts and 66mm rear rim heights; but my edges spin up nicely too.
* Aero: It seems MF has an aero advantage over Edge. MF, with its 60mm front/66mm rear rim profile, were fast considering my power output (via SRM measurements) on the flats and roller section of the ride. If I was an ITT specialist, I believe MFs could make a difference. Now the Edges @ 45mm are aero when compared to my 23mm trainers, but bottom line the MF's win here.
Summary: My choice criteria are ranked 1) stiffness > 2) fast spin-up > 3) areo, and therefore I'll stick with my Edge's for this race season.
What would MF need to do to win me over?
* Increase stiffness! Maybe MF could widen the hub flanges like Alchemy and/or increase the spoke count. Subjectively my trainers less stiff than my Edges. My trainers have white industries hubs (same as on MF), Kinlin xr200 hoops, and same spoke count/type/tension as my Edges. Here again subjectively, I used to have Rolf Elans had a paired spokes similar to MF’s design which seemed a lot less stiff than the trainers I have now.
Who do I think would "love" MF wheels?
* People riding super carbon road bikes: why? MFs are stiff enough to be responsive...but not jaw dropping like my Edges. I could see MFs being a very nice complement to a super carbon/super stiff bb30 bottom bracket, tapered headtubes, oversized down tube, blah blah blah...I bet the combination would ride really really nice. just my two cents.
#2718
VeloSIRraptor
I'll post a report for the madfiber wheels later - but here's the short version.
They are solid, solid wheels.
At the muddy cross race w/ lots of roots and stuff there were 3 guys racing them. It helps that the race was in a park 1/2mile from the factory where they get made... but still, they did just fine. One of the main financing partners is a friend of mine, and he's an influential local business man who isn't in this to lose money, and he's confident that he won't. The wheels are 100% made in Seattle (in the fremont neighborhood, by the old bakery building if you are a local), and I was repeatedly invited to "just come by, we're there every day in the office/factory, & we'd love to show you around and talk to you about the wheels."
The warranty is solid - they aren't kidding about the replacement/warranty coverage. Considering the size of the guys who were riding them in the cross race, and the conditions... I think road racers don't have anything to worry about.
I talked to the CEO/Factory manager and he is planning on letting loose with clinchers mid-point of next year. The weights on those haven't been officially released yet, but I overheard what they are, and the numbers are pretty amazing.
A guy on my team is going to be getting a sponsored pro/promo set, and I should have them to ride for a week or so, hopefully still this month.
They are solid, solid wheels.
At the muddy cross race w/ lots of roots and stuff there were 3 guys racing them. It helps that the race was in a park 1/2mile from the factory where they get made... but still, they did just fine. One of the main financing partners is a friend of mine, and he's an influential local business man who isn't in this to lose money, and he's confident that he won't. The wheels are 100% made in Seattle (in the fremont neighborhood, by the old bakery building if you are a local), and I was repeatedly invited to "just come by, we're there every day in the office/factory, & we'd love to show you around and talk to you about the wheels."
The warranty is solid - they aren't kidding about the replacement/warranty coverage. Considering the size of the guys who were riding them in the cross race, and the conditions... I think road racers don't have anything to worry about.
I talked to the CEO/Factory manager and he is planning on letting loose with clinchers mid-point of next year. The weights on those haven't been officially released yet, but I overheard what they are, and the numbers are pretty amazing.
A guy on my team is going to be getting a sponsored pro/promo set, and I should have them to ride for a week or so, hopefully still this month.
#2720
Batüwü Creakcreak
Paired spokes=
#2721
Making a kilometer blurry
IMO, there's not much inherently wrong with paired spoking, it's just that there's no benefit (not lighter or more aerodynamic -- just a fashion choice). One of my biggest beefs with paired spoke wheels is that you often have to run much higher tension on them, and that starts to limit your repair/tune options. With the Madfiber wheels, there's no spoke maintenance anyway.
#2722
Batüwü Creakcreak
Just read more about them. So clutch.
#2723
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Grayslake, IL
Posts: 53
Bikes: '74 Ral SuperCourse II, '77? Ron Cooper, '82 Scapin Sprint?, '84 Ross Sig, '86 Voyageur, '86 Miy. 512, '87 Prologue, '87 Circuit, '91 MP21, '96? DeBernardi, '14 Dolan Mythos, Giordano Tandem, '18 Masi Alare.
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De rasta tape rocks wid de red hoods, mon!
#2724
Making a kilometer blurry
#2725
VeloSIRraptor
IMO, there's not much inherently wrong with paired spoking, it's just that there's no benefit (not lighter or more aerodynamic -- just a fashion choice). One of my biggest beefs with paired spoke wheels is that you often have to run much higher tension on them, and that starts to limit your repair/tune options. With the Madfiber wheels, there's no spoke maintenance anyway.
this
paired spoke isn't the devil - it just isn't an improvement.