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06-27-11, 07:36 AM
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06-27-11, 07:58 AM
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Holy Vaporware Batman. If that Zone thing works, Uncle Pcad will be first in line to strap them to his size 46 Sidis. Man, I hope so. That would rock. I could kiss that Ptap goodbye.
Sadly, it does remain...... Vaporware.
Sadly, it does remain...... Vaporware.
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06-27-11, 08:00 AM
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Also, it should be noted Brim Brothers does rhyme with Grimms Brothers, the fairy tale duo.
Not a good sign weenies.
Not a good sign weenies.
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06-27-11, 08:07 AM
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Interesting. I'd be more interested in that than I ever was in a powertap.
06-27-11, 08:12 AM
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They've been working on this for at least several years now, their ETA is " sometime in 2012", and they lack the backing of a company like Garmin.
So I'm not holding my breath, but at a weight of 36 grams, and completely interchangeable across bikes, with no crank, or wheel choice limitations, it would be very cool.
So I'm not holding my breath, but at a weight of 36 grams, and completely interchangeable across bikes, with no crank, or wheel choice limitations, it would be very cool.
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06-27-11, 08:23 AM
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The Zone force sensors go inside the cleat without adding any height, so the stack height stays the same.
I hope it works.
06-27-11, 11:29 AM
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06-27-11, 11:30 AM
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I really dig the idea. If it works and they bring it to market, I'll be looking at them about a year later when the bugs are ironed out.
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06-27-11, 07:27 PM
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Why would you need two? Wouldn't the second unit be the same as the first but 180 degrees out of phase?
06-27-11, 07:47 PM
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Aside from this being a novel idea, the real question is--if it even makes it to market--what will be the price?
Over/under on $2000?
Over/under on $2000?
06-27-11, 07:49 PM
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When can I get one of these new power meters?
It’s going to be a while, probably mid 2011.
How much will it cost?
We don’t know yet, but it will be competitive with existing systems.
I've heard this story before...
It’s going to be a while, probably mid 2011.
How much will it cost?
We don’t know yet, but it will be competitive with existing systems.
I've heard this story before...
06-27-11, 07:52 PM
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06-27-11, 07:56 PM
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i like it. but it's an expensive crash.
06-27-11, 07:58 PM
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I'm going to start a Pcad Power Meter hype website and collect $500 deposits.
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06-27-11, 07:59 PM
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06-27-11, 08:05 PM
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I have a serious question now for all the gurus:
Aside from saving weight, what functional advantage do these pedal-based power meters offer over a crank-based or hub-based torque meter?
If one is seriously training with power, isn't the data more important than saving 200g (weight of one banana and a hard-boiled egg in the back pocket) or whatever the weight-savings will be?
Aside from saving weight, what functional advantage do these pedal-based power meters offer over a crank-based or hub-based torque meter?
If one is seriously training with power, isn't the data more important than saving 200g (weight of one banana and a hard-boiled egg in the back pocket) or whatever the weight-savings will be?
06-27-11, 08:15 PM
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The hub based power meter can be a bit of a hinderance at times when you'd rather race or do a fast competitive with light wheels but you are restricted to the heavier Ptap set. But that's a rare situation for me. The shoe top/cleat sensor power meter concept is great, so is the pedal based idea. But they remain ideas, not viable products.
What's great about the Powertap is the ability to put a power meter on any bike by simply switching wheels. Much more versatile than a $3K SRM that only goes on one bicycle. I use the Powertap on the road bike(s) and the TT bike. The pedal based or shoe/cleat systems would also offer that flexibility.
Hey, if those systems come out, work well with some reliability and are priced in the sub $1500 range, they will eat SRM's lunch, and to a lesser degree, Saris' (Power Tap).
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06-27-11, 08:19 PM
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I have a serious question now for all the gurus:
Aside from saving weight, what functional advantage do these pedal-based power meters offer over a crank-based or hub-based torque meter?
If one is seriously training with power, isn't the data more important than saving 200g (weight of one banana and a hard-boiled egg in the back pocket) or whatever the weight-savings will be?
Aside from saving weight, what functional advantage do these pedal-based power meters offer over a crank-based or hub-based torque meter?
If one is seriously training with power, isn't the data more important than saving 200g (weight of one banana and a hard-boiled egg in the back pocket) or whatever the weight-savings will be?
06-27-11, 08:24 PM
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Powertap, Quarq, SRM--all the weight is static.
The extra 40g+/- of weight of these "Zone" thingies is rotational. Nobody has mentioned such nerdy details yet. And why should they, since this will never make it to market?
Plus, everyone (who actually knows) knows that the mythical benefits of shaving precious grams off a bike mean nothing compared to increasing power and being able to hold a more aero position with said power.
The extra 40g+/- of weight of these "Zone" thingies is rotational. Nobody has mentioned such nerdy details yet. And why should they, since this will never make it to market?
Plus, everyone (who actually knows) knows that the mythical benefits of shaving precious grams off a bike mean nothing compared to increasing power and being able to hold a more aero position with said power.
06-27-11, 08:26 PM
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less hardware, works with any crank, you can switch from bike to bike with just your shoes, possibly cheaper. Some tadoo has been made about seeing left and right foot output, but I dont really see much value in that. Then again, for my fredly pleasure-riding, I dont see any value for any power meter.
Power tap does the other stuff you mentioned. I don't see them beating Saris on price--just not going to happen.
06-27-11, 08:27 PM
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Don't disturb the Schwag Zen Pool fredhopper.
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06-27-11, 08:39 PM
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Powertap, Quarq, SRM--all the weight is static.
The extra 40g+/- of weight of these "Zone" thingies is rotational. Nobody has mentioned such nerdy details yet. And why should they, since this will never make it to market?
Plus, everyone (who actually knows) knows that the mythical benefits of shaving precious grams off a bike mean nothing compared to increasing power and being able to hold a more aero position with said power.
The extra 40g+/- of weight of these "Zone" thingies is rotational. Nobody has mentioned such nerdy details yet. And why should they, since this will never make it to market?
Plus, everyone (who actually knows) knows that the mythical benefits of shaving precious grams off a bike mean nothing compared to increasing power and being able to hold a more aero position with said power.
06-27-11, 08:43 PM
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Interesting concept ... not sure I like the idea of the wire running up the side of the shoe. I'd rather see the pods integrated in the pedal. I think..
06-27-11, 08:45 PM
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They look downright godawful for punting.