Joggers in bike lanes
10-30-12, 08:14 PM
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Yea , here in Queensland we get
You should:
who defines what is practical
avoid hanging things off the handlebars.
Is a good one too
who writes these dam thing, "you can ride on the road or the bike path or the fence if you feel like it and it is practical ....."
You should:
- always use a bicycle lane where provided, unless it is impracticable to do so
who defines what is practical
avoid hanging things off the handlebars.
Is a good one too
who writes these dam thing, "you can ride on the road or the bike path or the fence if you feel like it and it is practical ....."
10-31-12, 08:05 AM
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Don’t enable him by responding, and maybe he will go away. The ignore button is the best troll repellant I know of.
That’s what I was talking about. In the scenario that started this thread, the sidewalk was crowded with strollers, dog walkers, and old people out enjoying a walk along the seaside bluffs. The joggers really had no other choice, other than to go elsewhere, or hit the bike lanes.
That too.
That too.
10-31-12, 08:14 AM
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10-31-12, 09:11 AM
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10-31-12, 12:15 PM
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What if you aren't carrying photo id? How are they supposed to even ticket you... it's not like you even require a license to ride a bike anyways. f the police
10-31-12, 12:33 PM
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oh... sry, this comment is to the hilarious video on the first page. i'm just kidding about the f the police comment also. i love my local police force ^^
10-31-12, 12:41 PM
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Don’t enable him by responding, and maybe he will go away. The ignore button is the best troll repellant I know of.
That’s what I was talking about. In the scenario that started this thread, the sidewalk was crowded with strollers, dog walkers, and old people out enjoying a walk along the seaside bluffs. The joggers really had no other choice, other than to go elsewhere, or hit the bike lanes.
That too.
That’s what I was talking about. In the scenario that started this thread, the sidewalk was crowded with strollers, dog walkers, and old people out enjoying a walk along the seaside bluffs. The joggers really had no other choice, other than to go elsewhere, or hit the bike lanes.
That too.
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10-31-12, 12:48 PM
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Horse crap...joggers belong on sidewalks or MUPs...bikes belong in lanes, MUPs or AFTRAP. Joggers already have a lane...it's called a sidewalk. They potentially force me into traffic unpredictably and they don't belong there...they also typically jog against traffic.
10-31-12, 02:19 PM
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10-31-12, 02:24 PM
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Pedestrians have no business in the street where there is a sidewalk. Obviously common sense dictates that in an area without a sidewalk, the pedestrian would use a street, watching for traffic. No one would object to a pedestrian in a bike lane where no sidewalk is available.
10-31-12, 02:42 PM
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Some of you are as bad as JAMs. Worse, in fact, because you should know better.
10-31-12, 02:58 PM
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Yes - how horrible, expecting joggers to follow rules and conventions so as not to endanger and/or inconvenience me. Your justification of illegal, inappropriate behavior is worse than the justifications of sidewalk riders that I see here.
FYI - after a confrontation with an especially obnoxious jogger, I checked running forums to look at how they view the issue...it was more or less unanimous...it's inappropriate.
FYI - after a confrontation with an especially obnoxious jogger, I checked running forums to look at how they view the issue...it was more or less unanimous...it's inappropriate.
10-31-12, 03:23 PM
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Yes - how horrible, expecting joggers to follow rules and conventions so as not to endanger and/or inconvenience me. Your justification of illegal, inappropriate behavior is worse than the justifications of sidewalk riders that I see here.
FYI - after a confrontation with an especially obnoxious jogger, I checked running forums to look at how they view the issue...it was more or less unanimous...it's inappropriate.
FYI - after a confrontation with an especially obnoxious jogger, I checked running forums to look at how they view the issue...it was more or less unanimous...it's inappropriate.
10-31-12, 04:31 PM
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Back when I ran a lot, I always preferred to run in the street. I also was pretty good at jumping onto the sidewalk as required. Getting up on the sidewalk and even stopping for a second is nowhere near as inconvenient as it is to stop on a bike.
10-31-12, 04:36 PM
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10-31-12, 05:20 PM
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You originally said, "In CA (and I believe most states), the law does not restrict cyclists to bike lanes only. If anyone here were to get ticketed for it, it would be a good opportunity to go to court armed with the relevant sections of the Vehicle Code (in CA it is Sec.21202), and embarrass one belligerent cop."
I asked about 21208, because it does restrict cyclists to bike lanes.
If you bring that to court, you're going to make the case for the belligerent cop, unless one of the exceptions happened to apply in that case, and you're prepared with evidence to prove it.
Now, if the reason you're leaving the bike lane is because there are joggers in it, that's fine, because of "(3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions.. "
But I really doubt you'd get a ticket in such a case, unless you swerved out without yielding or something. But your statement above did not seem to be limited to a case where an exception applies. Your statement was that CA does not restrict to cyclists to bike lanes, period. Or were you just saying that the while the law does restrict cyclists to bike lanes on roads with bike lanes, that doesn't mean we're allowed only on roads with bike lanes? That would be terrible!
I asked about 21208, because it does restrict cyclists to bike lanes.
If you bring that to court, you're going to make the case for the belligerent cop, unless one of the exceptions happened to apply in that case, and you're prepared with evidence to prove it.
Now, if the reason you're leaving the bike lane is because there are joggers in it, that's fine, because of "(3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions.. "
But I really doubt you'd get a ticket in such a case, unless you swerved out without yielding or something. But your statement above did not seem to be limited to a case where an exception applies. Your statement was that CA does not restrict to cyclists to bike lanes, period. Or were you just saying that the while the law does restrict cyclists to bike lanes on roads with bike lanes, that doesn't mean we're allowed only on roads with bike lanes? That would be terrible!
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10-31-12, 05:36 PM
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21208. (a) Whenever a bicycle lane has been established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207, any person operating a bicycle upon the roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride within the bicycle lane, except that the person may move out of the lane under any of the following situations: (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle, vehicle, or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if the overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane. (2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. (3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions. (4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized. (b) No person operating a bicycle shall leave a bicycle lane until the movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 22100) in the event that any vehicle may be affected by the movement.
11-02-12, 06:10 AM
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I had a nice 'discussion' with a driver who didn't like my using the 'car' lane the other day. Apparently, he though I was just supposed to ride through all the trick-or-treaters who spilled over from the sidewalk into the bike lane. Luckily, a pleasant police officer understood.
11-04-12, 08:56 AM
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Exactly my point. If there is a bike lane I am usually in it. If some one is going to be out in traffic when there is a perfectly good bike lane because they just want to "stick it to the man", well that's their choice. I don't think it is a good choice. I do get out into traffic from the bike lane quite often, for the reasons stated in 21208, and always after "checking my six", and signaling if necessary. If it is joggers in the bike lane (often it is), I don't get all hot about it.
11-04-12, 10:02 AM
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Ninja joggers are a fact of life. Their dopey unlit/wrong-way "training" sessions are the equivalent of our bicycle cultures
Carbon Fiber/spandex powerranger/NASCAR Lance-a-bees asserting themselves uber alles.
Passive resignation is easier than anger at something that will never change
Carbon Fiber/spandex powerranger/NASCAR Lance-a-bees asserting themselves uber alles.
Passive resignation is easier than anger at something that will never change
11-04-12, 11:45 AM
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I've never once had a problem with a spandex dentist, in fact I've found that most of them are very considerate. The joggers in the lane are, thus far, a small but annoying minority...and a recent one since lanes are recent. The time to keep it a small minority is now.
11-04-12, 03:19 PM
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Ninja joggers are a fact of life. Their dopey unlit/wrong-way "training" sessions are the equivalent of our bicycle cultures
Carbon Fiber/spandex powerranger/NASCAR Lance-a-bees asserting themselves uber alles.
Passive resignation is easier than anger at something that will never change
Carbon Fiber/spandex powerranger/NASCAR Lance-a-bees asserting themselves uber alles.
Passive resignation is easier than anger at something that will never change
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