Bike clean up and spray paint completed! De Rosa (replica)
11-14-14, 08:11 AM
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So far the comments have been kind. I wouldn't criticize you but would ask you to consider the other side.
De Rosa is on my bucket list of Italian bikes. Yes they are not your top of the line $600 Italian bike that you can pick up on CL once a year or less. I have respect for those who sacrifice with devotion and time, which many with a vision and passion do. The high end Italian bikes represent that to me as the country is full of passionate frame builders. To rise to the top and produce brands that are known around the world and have their product be a vehicle of world championships and tours is impressive. To label a low end bike with replica branding is deceptive at best, regardless of personal desire. Either you have one or you don't.
My personal values prevent me from representing something as different from what it is. It would upset me every time I saw it, rode it and most importantly, embarrassing to tell someone that I always admired a brand, can't see ever owning one so miss labeled what I had to satisfy my desire, or worse, represented it as what it is not.
Having said that in a straight forward way, I only ask that you consider the consequences that might arise that would "rain on your parade" with lasting impact. The decision is yours and I respect your decision but don't have to accept what it represents.
De Rosa is on my bucket list of Italian bikes. Yes they are not your top of the line $600 Italian bike that you can pick up on CL once a year or less. I have respect for those who sacrifice with devotion and time, which many with a vision and passion do. The high end Italian bikes represent that to me as the country is full of passionate frame builders. To rise to the top and produce brands that are known around the world and have their product be a vehicle of world championships and tours is impressive. To label a low end bike with replica branding is deceptive at best, regardless of personal desire. Either you have one or you don't.
My personal values prevent me from representing something as different from what it is. It would upset me every time I saw it, rode it and most importantly, embarrassing to tell someone that I always admired a brand, can't see ever owning one so miss labeled what I had to satisfy my desire, or worse, represented it as what it is not.
Having said that in a straight forward way, I only ask that you consider the consequences that might arise that would "rain on your parade" with lasting impact. The decision is yours and I respect your decision but don't have to accept what it represents.
11-14-14, 04:41 PM
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11-14-14, 04:54 PM
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I'm just not a fan of this type of project.
Reminds me of my 1967 Porsche 912.
Looked great from 15 feet until you would toss the hatch up to check the powerplant and you'd have an anemic impersonation hiding in there.
Just not my cup of tea.
Reminds me of my 1967 Porsche 912.
Looked great from 15 feet until you would toss the hatch up to check the powerplant and you'd have an anemic impersonation hiding in there.
Just not my cup of tea.
11-14-14, 05:40 PM
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I don't think that is a fair comparison though, Porsche endorsed that subterfuge.
Ugo had nothing to do with this project.
11-14-14, 05:45 PM
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Interestingly, Colnago did a few bikes with the dark blue screened foil panel sticker on the down tube like Eddy spec'd for his Orange era Molteni bikes… there one could say that Ernesto stole the graphic look from Merckx on those editions.
Very smart of Eddy to brand his rides before there was an Eddy Merckx branding deal… He was thinking ahead, (or an advisor was).
Very smart of Eddy to brand his rides before there was an Eddy Merckx branding deal… He was thinking ahead, (or an advisor was).
11-14-14, 05:47 PM
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Problem with these projects is they end up getting sold down the line to unsuspecting folks.
If the original owner just keeps it forever and a day, then maybe no harm done.
As for the 912, it was a short love affair. I was way too young for that car.
11-25-14, 07:08 AM
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This would look nice with some Bianchi stickers... Vintage Columbia Child's Tricycle - green & white
11-25-14, 07:39 AM
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This would look nice with some Bianchi stickers... Vintage Columbia Child's Tricycle - green & white
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11-25-14, 07:40 AM
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Well, you are correct.
Problem with these projects is they end up getting sold down the line to unsuspecting folks.
If the original owner just keeps it forever and a day, then maybe no harm done.
As for the 912, it was a short love affair. I was way too young for that car.
Problem with these projects is they end up getting sold down the line to unsuspecting folks.
If the original owner just keeps it forever and a day, then maybe no harm done.
As for the 912, it was a short love affair. I was way too young for that car.
If I still owned a DeRosa I would be ticked.
11-25-14, 08:33 AM
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I wouldn't be satisfied by this but I have to say that some of the photos were very good and I completely understand the fun of working on a bike.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
11-27-14, 01:05 AM
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Hey guys what r ur thoughts on my plan. I would like to repaint a old Raleigh and am on a budget so my idea is to prepare the bike with primer, strip down etc. and then get some professionals to spray the bike it's colour and clear coat. What r ur thoughts, is it worth it should I do DIY and what should it cost? Thx guys
11-27-14, 08:12 AM
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I wouldn't be satisfied by this but I have to say that some of the photos were very good and I completely understand the fun of working on a bike.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
11-27-14, 08:23 AM
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The chain stays are to long to be a true DeRosa. BUT, they would add to a rather comfortable ride.
11-27-14, 08:24 AM
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It's completely possible to create your own vinyl transfers using monocote trim sheets and an X-acto knife. Why not do the paint then label it with your own name?
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11-27-14, 09:14 AM
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I wouldn't be satisfied by this but I have to say that some of the photos were very good and I completely understand the fun of working on a bike.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
The idea that the appearance of something makes it similar to the thing it outwardly resembles is a very common one in Japan.
About 20 years ago, when I worked for a company here, a colleague told me he really liked 1950s British bikes, like AJS, Triumph and BSA etc., and was thinking of getting one but was worried about reliability. So he said he was thinking of getting a Yamaha SR500 and making it look like a British bike - there's a whole industry here supplying tanks, oil cases and engine covers for Yamahas to make them look just like old British bikes - so that "he could both enjoy Japanese reliability AND experience the spirit of biking in England in the 1950s."
That wouldn't work for me.
11-27-14, 09:21 AM
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Hey guys what r ur thoughts on my plan. I would like to repaint a old Raleigh and am on a budget so my idea is to prepare the bike with primer, strip down etc. and then get some professionals to spray the bike it's colour and clear coat. What r ur thoughts, is it worth it should I do DIY and what should it cost? Thx guys
If you wish to learn to paint and overhaul a bike that is a valid reason but not cost effective as a one time project. If there is a bike co-op local enough to you that will help the equation. The old bike hobby is fun but it is a hobby for most and consumes money and time.
11-27-14, 10:18 AM
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Remember the kit cars that used a VW Bug frame and engine and were made up to look like expensive sports cars? They are probably still around, but I haven't seen one recently. These days the VW Bug is a collectors item. I should have kept mine, but I was tired of turning a wrench on it every weekend.
11-27-14, 10:31 AM
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Remember the kit cars that used a VW Bug frame and engine and were made up to look like expensive sports cars? They are probably still around, but I haven't seen one recently. These days the VW Bug is a collectors item. I should have kept mine, but I was tired of turning a wrench on it every weekend.
I ended up owning two Beetles and a really nice Transporter. They ran quite weil three seasons of the year here in Minnesota.
Winter? Not so much.
I must say though, they were models of mechanical perfection compared to the fairly long line of British sports cars that dripped all over my parents' driveway.
11-27-14, 10:51 AM
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The OP created a fun bike that he enjoys riding. I think its great. And really, they're just bikes. I've seen mis-decalled bikes and I always get a chuckle out of them. Bravo OP, you created something you enjoy and had fun and learned from the experience.
11-27-14, 10:53 AM
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At least according to the old joke.Repros don't bother me much, as long as they are labeled so and a seller doesn't try to defraud anyone. A 427 Cobra is $1MM. A repro is cheaper and doesn't have to ride like a truck.
11-27-14, 10:58 AM
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Honda tried the retro bike look with their GB500 TT model. It didn't sell very well in the US when new, and only was offered here for 1989 and 1990. They are now considered a collector's item and they are highly sought after. It is more of a Velocette inspired design than a Norton or Triumph design.
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Ha Ha - If I am wearing a Colts jersey there is no way anyone is going to mistake this fat old man for a NFL player from any distance. Don't think any NFL players get their egos bruised when they see it either. Maybe a poor analogy I realize, but paying tribute to a famous brand by putting decals on a "low end" bike nicely restored by a DIY er is not in my opinion a bad thing and is done all the time.
11-27-14, 01:14 PM
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Remember the kit cars that used a VW Bug frame and engine and were made up to look like expensive sports cars? They are probably still around, but I haven't seen one recently. These days the VW Bug is a collectors item. I should have kept mine, but I was tired of turning a wrench on it every weekend.
I lived across from a freeway as a kid, about once a year a VW caught fire and burned up. The flexible fuel line I was told if not replaced at reasonable intervals would leak, fuel would find its way to the exhaust manifold and flambé.
11-27-14, 01:21 PM
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As long as you don't sell it as something it isn't, then who cares? Honestly, it's OP's bike and they should do whatever they please that makes them happy. The snobbery and snide comments are a bit much.
11-27-14, 04:02 PM
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This made me recall a thread started by Gridplan long ago about buyer beware.