Recommend a readily available classic looking silver rim
05-02-16, 06:14 PM
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Recommend a readily available classic looking silver rim
I've built up a mid 80s Sannino, not period correct but still classic looking with silver and polished alloy components and Campy indexed downtube 8 shifting 8 speed drive train (with modern-ish Centaur 50-34 crank).
Anyway, I have a nice enough set of Velocity wheels on it with the A23 rim, which I'm happy with. They are silver, but not polished, more of an anodized look. No big deal, I'm happy with them.
I have another use for these wheels, so into the decision mix is me wanting a more classic box type of rim, in polished silver. Unless I'm missing something, I haven't been able to find any factory wheels like this.
I've dealt with a custom builder who I was entirely satisfied with, and they have three varieties of the type of rim I'm thinking of
H Plus Son TB14
Velo Orange PBP and RAID (the difference, as far as I can tell, is the RAID is a 23mm wide and the PBP is 19... I have "wide" and conventional/narrow rims and frankly, the difference isn't meaningful to me.
So, any thoughts on this? Any leads to factory built wheels or opinions on those three rim choices?
I'm not a high end wheel or hub hub fanatic. I've been perfectly happy with reputable factory wheels (Reynolds, Mavic, Shimano) with whatever hubs they use as well as the not-too-expensive Velocity hubs on my A23 custom wheels. They all work and at my age and the annual miles I get on each bike, I don't care if I get 10,000 miles, 10 years or a "lifetime" out of the hubs.
Thanks for any thoughts you have.
Anyway, I have a nice enough set of Velocity wheels on it with the A23 rim, which I'm happy with. They are silver, but not polished, more of an anodized look. No big deal, I'm happy with them.
I have another use for these wheels, so into the decision mix is me wanting a more classic box type of rim, in polished silver. Unless I'm missing something, I haven't been able to find any factory wheels like this.
I've dealt with a custom builder who I was entirely satisfied with, and they have three varieties of the type of rim I'm thinking of
H Plus Son TB14
Velo Orange PBP and RAID (the difference, as far as I can tell, is the RAID is a 23mm wide and the PBP is 19... I have "wide" and conventional/narrow rims and frankly, the difference isn't meaningful to me.
So, any thoughts on this? Any leads to factory built wheels or opinions on those three rim choices?
I'm not a high end wheel or hub hub fanatic. I've been perfectly happy with reputable factory wheels (Reynolds, Mavic, Shimano) with whatever hubs they use as well as the not-too-expensive Velocity hubs on my A23 custom wheels. They all work and at my age and the annual miles I get on each bike, I don't care if I get 10,000 miles, 10 years or a "lifetime" out of the hubs.
Thanks for any thoughts you have.
05-02-16, 06:23 PM
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If you don't feel like spending H+Son money, there's always the Sun CR18 and M13II
05-02-16, 06:35 PM
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I really like the Sun M13 rim as it has a nice classic look. I've used the CR18 and it's a nice rim but the shape is a little different and can't really think of any rims that have that shape. Plus the M13 is super reasonable like any of the Sun line of rims. If they only made the M13 in a 650B I think they'd give Velo Orange and all the other brands a run for their money.
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Pacenti PL23 Rim - 700c Polished - 32h - Ben's Cycle
https://www.bikehubstore.com/Kinlin-X...im-p/xr19w.htm
https://www.bikehubstore.com/Kinlin-X...im-p/xr19w.htm
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05-02-16, 07:00 PM
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M13.
I think the CR-18's look clunky and dumb.
On the other hand I've been really happy with Velocity rims in general, I'd pick the least offensive looking one from their stock and just deal.
I think the CR-18's look clunky and dumb.
On the other hand I've been really happy with Velocity rims in general, I'd pick the least offensive looking one from their stock and just deal.
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05-02-16, 07:41 PM
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I also think the CR18s look a little clunky. I haven't seen the HPS tb14 in person but they are on my list to try.
I do believe my first choice though would have to be Ambrosio Excellence in silver. I have these in black and love them. See this:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ence-rims.html
I do believe my first choice though would have to be Ambrosio Excellence in silver. I have these in black and love them. See this:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ence-rims.html
05-02-16, 07:47 PM
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I have two sets of H Plus Son TB14 rims, and they build up really nicely, which is nice if you're the one building. Very classy looking and well made.
05-02-16, 07:49 PM
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Take a look at Velo Orange
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05-02-16, 08:05 PM
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The new Pacenti PL23's are very nice, I've built several sets of wheels with them and they true up and tension very easily. Boc section, polished, what's not to like?
Oh, and durable: I ran them at this year's L'Eroica California, which was pretty rough in places, they came thru just fine.
Oh, and durable: I ran them at this year's L'Eroica California, which was pretty rough in places, they came thru just fine.
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05-02-16, 08:15 PM
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Check out velomine.com. Lots of choices, great prices on 105 hub wheelsets.
05-02-16, 09:40 PM
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I spent the H+Son money when it came time for new hoops on the Paramount. Worth every penny. Very clean look, and the quality is obvious. The guy that built my wheels (I still haven't learned to do it myself) commented on them, as he hadn't worked with them before. He was impressed, which is a good nod since he's probably been building wheels as long as I've been breathing.
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05-03-16, 08:09 AM
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What is/are the best source(s) for the H Plus Son TB14 rims?
Thankx.
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05-04-16, 11:13 AM
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I like my M13II rims. I've built a number of wheels with Sunrims CR18/M13II/Rhyno Lite rims and they've remained true and round. That being said, I haven't built up any other brand of rims but I also haven't found a need to since these are inexpensive and readily available.
05-04-16, 01:00 PM
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I really like M13-II and CR-18 wheels. The ERD on them is close enough to some older Weinmann and Weinmann copies that I have had great success in doing basic rim swaps.
05-04-16, 01:30 PM
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I used those Pacenti rims last year when building my Lemond. They worked out well except that the sidewall is slightly tall, making tire fit tight. I rode the Tour De Bronx in October, and an old guy thought I was riding on old rims and complimented them.
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I think the Sun rims from my experience have taller brake surfaces so mounting tires can sometimes be a little issue. I snapped a tire lever installing a Challenge Strada Bianca onto a CR18 changing a tube on a ride. Mind you an open tubular is pretty tight no matter what rim you normally install them on from my experience until they stretch.
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Those PL23s are attractive, but the weight limit has always been an issue for me. I'm way to fat for them. Unless they've done something to change that.
I've always thought the Sun rims seemed a good value.
I've always thought the Sun rims seemed a good value.
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05-04-16, 06:30 PM
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Another vote for the M13II.
I've built up 700c and 27" wheels on these.
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I've built up 700c and 27" wheels on these.
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Thanks for all the great ideas. I'll probably buy complete wheels, although I'm tempted to build a set - I've always wanted to, and it sounds like a high spoke count wheel with solid rims should be a good beginner's project. We'll see...