Another dead in Richmond, B.C.
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Another dead in Richmond, B.C.
This was my favourite route when I was into road cycling.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
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But the article does not say what conformation the group was riding in. Is there information out there they were riding as a pack?
But most importantly, condolences to the families and injured. RIP to the deceased.
But most importantly, condolences to the families and injured. RIP to the deceased.
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It isn't even clear whether they were hit from behind, or head on by a car out of it's lane.
The only "facts" given out besides the death and injuries, are that they were wearing helmets and that the CF frames snapped like twigs.
So, I'll do the only reasonable thing for now, which is to express my condolences and hopes for recovery, and await actual info before thinking about the crash itself.
The only "facts" given out besides the death and injuries, are that they were wearing helmets and that the CF frames snapped like twigs.
So, I'll do the only reasonable thing for now, which is to express my condolences and hopes for recovery, and await actual info before thinking about the crash itself.
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This was my favourite route when I was into road cycling.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
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Don't mean to be morbid by digging into further details, but note that the crash damage is the to drivers side of the vehicle. I find that surprising.
One thing I do not find surprising, given where this occurred, was that the driver was a 19-year-old in a Lexus SUV...
One thing I do not find surprising, given where this occurred, was that the driver was a 19-year-old in a Lexus SUV...
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It isn't even clear whether they were hit from behind, or head on by a car out of it's lane.
The only "facts" given out besides the death and injuries, are that they were wearing helmets and that the CF frames snapped like twigs.
So, I'll do the only reasonable thing for now, which is to express my condolences and hopes for recovery, and await actual info before thinking about the crash itself.
The only "facts" given out besides the death and injuries, are that they were wearing helmets and that the CF frames snapped like twigs.
So, I'll do the only reasonable thing for now, which is to express my condolences and hopes for recovery, and await actual info before thinking about the crash itself.
I'm afraid that's about all that the media outlets notice here as well, motorcycles even, helmet or no helmet.
Like that's a pair of ruby slippers.
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Don't mean to be morbid by digging into further details, but note that the crash damage is the to drivers side of the vehicle. I find that surprising.
One thing I do not find surprising, given where this occurred, was that the driver was a 19-year-old in a Lexus SUV...
One thing I do not find surprising, given where this occurred, was that the driver was a 19-year-old in a Lexus SUV...
Locals know this is a popular bike route, but a kid from Burnaby might see it as a fun little race track.
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This was my favourite route when I was into road cycling.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
Police do not know what caused the crash and all the cyclists appeared to be wearing their helmets.
Meanwhile Colville urged cyclists who use that stretch of road to be careful because accidents have occurred there in the past. He urged cyclists to ride in single file.
Meanwhile Colville urged cyclists who use that stretch of road to be careful because accidents have occurred there in the past. He urged cyclists to ride in single file.
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Not blame at all, just pointing out that some activities are clearly more dangerous than others.
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A sad day indeed. That is a sharp blind corner and I can envision many things going wrong which could lead to a bad situaiton.
I wish everyone the best and my most heartfelt condolences to the family who lost a loved one. And a speedy recovery to those injured.
I wish everyone the best and my most heartfelt condolences to the family who lost a loved one. And a speedy recovery to those injured.
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This was my favourite route when I was into road cycling.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
1 cyclist dead, 2 seriously injured after Richmond, B.C. crash - British Columbia - CBC News
There is a blind curve here and the road is very narrow - riding as a pack (i.e. not single file) is really asking for trouble.
From looking at the pictures' and the map. The cyclists' were hit at the mid-point of the curve. There are no trees' on the inside of the curve, blocking a motorists' line of sight. So, The teenage driver had more than enough time to stop.
City of Richmond BC - Weight, Speed & Height Restrictions
The speed limit on this road is 30km/h, which is barely 20mph. He was speeding.
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It is a sharp corner with very poor sight lines, I would call it a blind corner.
I can imagine a driver turning off Westminster Highway onto River Road and cutting the corner, notice all the paint which is worn away. Plus this stretch is loved by drivers to speed and circumvent traffic.
I can imagine a driver turning off Westminster Highway onto River Road and cutting the corner, notice all the paint which is worn away. Plus this stretch is loved by drivers to speed and circumvent traffic.
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This is not a 'blind curve' in the true sense. There is a curve similar to this one. On the other side of some multi-use train tracks, from the town I live in, that is a true 'blind curve'. Because of trees' on the inside of the curve.
From looking at the pictures' and the map. The cyclists' were hit at the mid-point of the curve. There are no trees' on the inside of the curve, blocking a motorists' line of sight. So, The teenage driver had more than enough time to stop.
City of Richmond BC - Weight, Speed & Height Restrictions
The speed limit on this road is 30km/h, which is barely 20mph. He was speeding.
From looking at the pictures' and the map. The cyclists' were hit at the mid-point of the curve. There are no trees' on the inside of the curve, blocking a motorists' line of sight. So, The teenage driver had more than enough time to stop.
City of Richmond BC - Weight, Speed & Height Restrictions
The speed limit on this road is 30km/h, which is barely 20mph. He was speeding.
https://goo.gl/maps/LBoirNiCAzM2
Right angle, 20km/h. No line of sight until something is coming around the corner. I think this is a 50 km/h road and I would hazard a low ball guess that people regularly surpass 70km/h. [MENTION=311713]Mr. Hairy Legs[/MENTION], opinions?
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https://goo.gl/maps/LBoirNiCAzM2
Right angle, 20km/h. No line of sight until something is coming around the corner. I think this is a 50 km/h road and I would hazard a low ball guess that people regularly surpass 70km/h. [MENTION=311713]Mr. Hairy Legs[/MENTION], opinions?
Right angle, 20km/h. No line of sight until something is coming around the corner. I think this is a 50 km/h road and I would hazard a low ball guess that people regularly surpass 70km/h. [MENTION=311713]Mr. Hairy Legs[/MENTION], opinions?
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Go talk to people about real dangers, like jumping of tall buildings.
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The car limit is 50 km/h and the truck limit is 30 km/h. People speed on this road.
Source, I used this road.
Regardless a guy died and it sucks.
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It is a sharp corner with very poor sight lines, I would call it a blind corner.
I can imagine a driver turning off Westminster Highway onto River Road and cutting the corner, notice all the paint which is worn away. Plus this stretch is loved by drivers to speed and circumvent traffic.
I can imagine a driver turning off Westminster Highway onto River Road and cutting the corner, notice all the paint which is worn away. Plus this stretch is loved by drivers to speed and circumvent traffic.
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This road is quite a gong show. I once saw a near head-on collision where an idiot decided to pass me right in front of an oncoming vehicle. Richmond deliberately narrowed it years ago to discourage street racing, but I think they made it worse.
And yes, everybody in Richmond speeds by at least 40%.
And yes, everybody in Richmond speeds by at least 40%.
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I used to use that road to go to work every day. Sometimes on my bike and sometimes in my car, so I know it pretty well. The thing that surprises me is that the car could be going fast enough to cause that kind of damage. He made a turn from Westminister highway onto River Road, travelled 40m, and then went around the corner where the collision occurred. It is a really tight right angle bend, and I used to take it at about 25 to 30 km/hr. The article describes a loud bang and the frame shattered. This guy must have accelerated pretty hard and gone around the corner pretty fast to cause that kind of damage.
Visibility is pretty poor at that corner because of the elevation change. You're climbing up onto the dike as you round the corner.
Visibility is pretty poor at that corner because of the elevation change. You're climbing up onto the dike as you round the corner.
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Especially since it's a double-yellow. Common knowledge to anyone with a driver's license, but kids do make mistakes.
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You're missing the point here... the cop (and myself) are talking about ways to reduce risk on the road, not about who was right or wrong or deserving of all the blame. We don't have the specific details, but if the assumptions are correct, the driver broke the law by cutting across the double yellow line, and the cyclists also broke the law by riding two abreast. Nobody follows any rules here really.
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Head on damage is the result of the combined speed of the two vehicles, and I can imaging similar consequences even if the bike were moving only as fast as a park bench.
Don't read this to imply that I don't believe the car wasn't moving fast. I don't know any of the particulars and have no opinion. But, by the same token want to remind folks that they likewise can't draw conclusions about the speeds of any or all of the involved parties.
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I know the area well. Really sad and unexpected. The road is single lane in both directions and people are ask to share the road with cyclists. Nobody deserves this. The driver of the car has a lot to answer for.
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You're missing the point here... the cop (and myself) are talking about ways to reduce risk on the road, not about who was right or wrong or deserving of all the blame. We don't have the specific details, but if the assumptions are correct, the driver broke the law by cutting across the double yellow line, and the cyclists also broke the law by riding two abreast. Nobody follows any rules here really.
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