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If a person starts a thread, that person can also delete a thread. It's the way Bikeforums is set up and it is a beautiful thing. You can do it too!
If I start a thread I do indeed have the right to delete it, and do not have to ask permission from anyone. I have exercised that right a few times in the past ... and I may very well use that right again in the future.
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Saves the mods time and energy when a thread goes off the rails on the third post. Instead of bothering them, just delete the thread! Quick and easy!
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IIRC, the thread you deleted had a lot more than three posts--more like several dozen, and many were long and thoughtful. But since you didn't agree with some of the content, I guess it needed to be "cleaned up." What a pity!
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Anyway ... no big loss in that thread! Didn't seem like anyone was actually interested in the topic. After about a half dozen attempt to get the discussion back on topic, I figured ... why bother. *Click* *Click* ... and ... gone.
It's been gone a month now and you didn't even notice! Bet you can't even remember what the thread was about.
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I think that car-free outings for people in urban environments are pretty common. I know a number of people who I'd classify as "car heavy" who will almost always walk or bus to certain types of activities simply because it's much easier than driving, having to find (and pay for) parking, frees them to enjoy wine or a beer with a meal, etc.
A couple that we periodically meet for dinner will almost always arrive on foot. They live close enough to downtown that it's a natural thing for them to do even though they both own vehicles. We also occasionally get them out for a single day bike ride. These are very slow paced rides, typically taking in a lake or a beach, maybe a lunch stop somewhere but they are loads of fun.
A couple that we periodically meet for dinner will almost always arrive on foot. They live close enough to downtown that it's a natural thing for them to do even though they both own vehicles. We also occasionally get them out for a single day bike ride. These are very slow paced rides, typically taking in a lake or a beach, maybe a lunch stop somewhere but they are loads of fun.
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I think it stinks. I will think long and hard before I spend any time or care responding to "your" threads. (Which I'm certain will not bother you in the least.) Personally, I would never delete a thread I started as long as even one person had posted. I feel I have no right to destroy somebody's work, no matter how the forum is set up.
To be honest I'm not all that comfortable with the thought that a thread starter can just delete someone's contribution at will.
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I've got to admit I find it very surprising that a thread starter can delete a thread. On another forum I participate in you will occasionally have a thread starter ask a Mod to lock or delete a thread, but deletion is very rare unless there's been some abusive posts. Even then, normally the Mods lock the thread and delete the offensive messages, sometimes reopening it with a warning that anyone further abusing things will be suspended or completely banned.
To be honest I'm not all that comfortable with the thought that a thread starter can just delete someone's contribution at will.
To be honest I'm not all that comfortable with the thought that a thread starter can just delete someone's contribution at will.
Forums set up like this one have that option. I am on another forum where the mods have to be contacted to delete stuff, but they're pretty good about doing that.
And of course, you can delete whole conversations in Facebook too.
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Regarding walking everywhere, one day I'll have to take my phone with me at lunch and snap a few shots of the crowds out walking all over the place.
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Thread starters have been able to delete their threads since I arrived here ... back in 2003. This is nothing new. And I'm not the only one who has done it. Ever noticed that a thread seems to have disappeared and wonder where it went? Well ... chances are the thread starter decided it wasn't that important, or wasn't worth the effort, or just simply got tired of the barrage of negativity, and deleted it.
Forums set up like this one have that option. I am on another forum where the mods have to be contacted to delete stuff, but they're pretty good about doing that.
And of course, you can delete whole conversations in Facebook too.
Forums set up like this one have that option. I am on another forum where the mods have to be contacted to delete stuff, but they're pretty good about doing that.
And of course, you can delete whole conversations in Facebook too.
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I've done that on several occasions over the years with the Weekend Rides threads I've created ... accidentally got the wrong date or something ... delete it ... recreate it ... and voila! All good.
Sort of seems to me that the first time I discovered the ability to delete was back in ... oh ... um ... 2004 or 2005 or something and I tried to create a poll, but ended up with two threads. Joe owned the forum back then, and I think he was the one who told me I could just go in and delete the one I didn't want.
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I contributed to that thread, my thoughts and ideas that I took some time to type out…I think this is outrageous. …
Thread starters have been able to delete their threads since I arrived here ... back in 2003. This is nothing new. And I'm not the only one who has done it. Ever noticed that a thread seems to have disappeared and wonder where it went? Well ... chances are the threadstarter decided it wasn't that important, or wasn't worth the effort, or just simply got tired of the barrage of negativity, and deleted it. ….
…So with my experiences in cycling, andmy frequent posting over the years, if I have replied on a recurrent topic,written to my satisfaction, I’ll just quote it. A further challenge then becomes finding the post…
I know you [@Machka] are the forum historian or archivist,but I think you should not discourage those who are willing to do the heavylifting, such as starting new threads. After all, sometimes fresh meat is preferable to digging up some old fossil.
I only very rarely can’t find a thread; that was the first one in a long time. As noted previously on this current thread, one thread that I cite occasionally, "How Do You Communicate on Forums vs Face-to-Face," was actually closed because it became so hostile, but is still online.
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The thread starter is only one of several "authors" of the thread. Other people have put thought, time, energy into responding th the thread started by one person. To delete another person's work is reprehensible. Delete your own posts if you like, Machka, but please do not delete any of mine.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
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The thread starter is only one of several "authors" of the thread. Other people have put thought, time, energy into responding th the thread started by one person. To delete another person's work is reprehensible. Delete your own posts if you like, Machka, but please do not delete any of mine.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
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The thread starter is only one of several "authors" of the thread. Other people have put thought, time, energy into responding th the thread started by one person. To delete another person's work is reprehensible. Delete your own posts if you like, Machka, but please do not delete any of mine.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
Personally, I have started many threads went off into directions that I never anticipated. That can be frustrating, but it can also be enlightening and informative. If Machka takes no pleasure in the responses that the rest of us post, I suggest that she switch over to blogging. She could turn off her blog's comment section, and then she would never be bothered by people who disagree or just see things a little differently.
I will be blunt. I don't even remember what you posted. That is how important it was.
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…I have posted about my most usual reason to look for an old thread:
…So with my experiences in cycling, and my frequent posting over the years, if I have replied on a recurrent topic, written to my satisfaction, I’ll just quote it. A further challenge then becomes finding the post…
Ugh, I gotta tell you Jim, this is the first post of yours that I've read in a long time. Usually I see your historical narratives and think: Ain’t Nobody Got Time for That
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Do you say these sorts of things to forum moderators when they delete threads that you have posted in? I almost get the impression that you are a control freak who doesn't like the idea of someone else taking over that control.
I will be blunt. I don't even remember what you posted. That is how important it was.
I will be blunt. I don't even remember what you posted. That is how important it was.
And now we'll never be able to find out what I (or yourself) wrote on that thread because Machka basically crumpled it up and threw it in the trash can.
She just didn't think people were responding appropriately to "her" thread. Instead of asking them to respond differently, she threw away the work that several people had spent time on. Very low class, IMO.
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It has nothing to do with control. But I sometimes spend time, maybe even do a little research before composing my response to a thread. Machka and the moderators never notified me and never asked for my permission to trash my work, so I had no way of telling them about it.
And now we'll never be able to find out what I (or yourself) wrote on that thread because Machka basically crumpled it up and threw it in the trash can.
She just didn't think people were responding appropriately to "her" thread. Instead of asking them to respond differently, she threw away the work that several people had spent time on. Very low class, IMO.
And now we'll never be able to find out what I (or yourself) wrote on that thread because Machka basically crumpled it up and threw it in the trash can.
She just didn't think people were responding appropriately to "her" thread. Instead of asking them to respond differently, she threw away the work that several people had spent time on. Very low class, IMO.
What did you write? Do you remember?
What was the topic of the thread? Do you remember?
Do you remember how many times I asked people to respond differently?
Listen, I know you're just kidding around, but on the off-chance you're actually serious (couldn't be ... but who knows) you do realise that everything you post here is temporary, right? I've been here long enough for there to be several server changes during which time posts were lost. And it won't be long before this forum disappears entirely ... say, maybe, 5 years or 10 years.
If you think what you typed had some "Voice of God" like value, you should have saved a copy of it.
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You take this way more seriously than it (and you) deserves. Consider the discussions here as like being in a pub bar... the conversations come and go, and disappear mostly immediately they are said, rather like your posting in that thread. Some are a little more memorable and stick in people's minds.
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves whether you are justified in your overstated pique.
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves whether you are justified in your overstated pique.
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What did you write? Do you remember?
What was the topic of the thread? Do you remember?
Do you remember how many times I asked people to respond differently?
Listen, I know you're just kidding around, but on the off-chance you're actually serious (couldn't be ... but who knows) you do realise that everything you post here is temporary, right? I've been here long enough for there to be several server changes during which time posts were lost. And it won't be long before this forum disappears entirely ... say, maybe, 5 years or 10 years.
If you think what you typed had some "Voice of God" like value, you should have saved a copy of it.
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You take this way more seriously than it (and you) deserves. Consider the discussions here as like being in a pub bar... the conversations come and go, and disappear mostly immediately they are said, rather like your posting in that thread. Some are a little more memorable and stick in people's minds.
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves whether you are justified in your overstated pique.
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves whether you are justified in your overstated pique.
The point isn't to take posts too seriously, it is to acknowledge that there is something of worth here occasionally, and it should not be randomly deleted by one person with an axe to grind.
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And just remember that any of us can delete our own threads. Comments on a forum, like life, are merely temporary. Like Rowan says ... discussions here are like those which might occur in a pub. They aren't doctoral theses. However, if there are comments I make which I think I might use again, I save them in a file. Then I copy and paste them into threads as desired.
Now do you think you can stop being rude ... stop hijacking this thread with your petty complaints?
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"I don't know that being positive is necessarily the best way to sell LCF. Maybe some negative stuff would work better? Point out the bad things about driving...it's expensive, it's boring, it's dangerous, etc. "
Do you even remember writing that? Probably not.
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Often, we go out for car-free outings on weekends, because those are the days long enough and where bedtime is flexible enough to allow for long walks and bike rides. Although we LCF, it occurred to me that you don't have to 'be' LCF or car-light to take car-free outings, especially on weekends. Likewise, we often see other people taking walks and bike-rides on the MUPs, and many of them may not 'be' car-free or car-light.
So this thread is about the appeal of car-free outings for people who otherwise have no interest in LCF or LCL. Clearly there are health-benefits and fun to be had by walking or biking to go out, go shopping, or go to a restaurant. Going out to eat, especially, is better car-free because the walk or bike-ride to and from the restaurant stimulates the appetite and helps with digestion.
Do you think many people recognize and/or seek and engage in car-free outings who otherwise have no interest in LCF/LCL? If so, they probably wouldn't be reading and participating in this web forum (or would they?). What other outings/activities are better car-free and why? How could car-free outings be promoted/marketed as a benefit to healthy and fun living?
E.g. Could restaurants or other businesses promote their meals or other products as being better as part of a car-free outing? McDonalds, for example, has traditionally promoted its food as part of a family-fun lifestyle, so maybe McDonalds TV ads could feature people strapping on their hiking/walking shoes while talking about what foods they're going to enjoy when they arrive. Someone could boast that they're going to get a large order of fries or a desert because they're going to burn the extra calories on the jog home, etc.
What do you think about this topic of car-free outings regardless of LCF/LCL status/interest? Is there a market for people to go out without driving for specific reasons, or are people who are totally comfortable with driving everywhere going to avoid car-free outings simply because they see it as a waste of time?
So this thread is about the appeal of car-free outings for people who otherwise have no interest in LCF or LCL. Clearly there are health-benefits and fun to be had by walking or biking to go out, go shopping, or go to a restaurant. Going out to eat, especially, is better car-free because the walk or bike-ride to and from the restaurant stimulates the appetite and helps with digestion.
Do you think many people recognize and/or seek and engage in car-free outings who otherwise have no interest in LCF/LCL? If so, they probably wouldn't be reading and participating in this web forum (or would they?). What other outings/activities are better car-free and why? How could car-free outings be promoted/marketed as a benefit to healthy and fun living?
E.g. Could restaurants or other businesses promote their meals or other products as being better as part of a car-free outing? McDonalds, for example, has traditionally promoted its food as part of a family-fun lifestyle, so maybe McDonalds TV ads could feature people strapping on their hiking/walking shoes while talking about what foods they're going to enjoy when they arrive. Someone could boast that they're going to get a large order of fries or a desert because they're going to burn the extra calories on the jog home, etc.
What do you think about this topic of car-free outings regardless of LCF/LCL status/interest? Is there a market for people to go out without driving for specific reasons, or are people who are totally comfortable with driving everywhere going to avoid car-free outings simply because they see it as a waste of time?
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No, I will not be wasting my time to post long comments to threads "owned" by Machka. She might just delete them, so why bother to write them in the first place?
The point isn't to take posts too seriously, it is to acknowledge that there is something of worth here occasionally, and it should not be randomly deleted by one person with an axe to grind.
The point isn't to take posts too seriously, it is to acknowledge that there is something of worth here occasionally, and it should not be randomly deleted by one person with an axe to grind.
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My last post to this thread was 2/17, and the thread lay dormant for three days until it erupted today, without reference to my post. But that’s OK. As I have written previously,It seems that I innocently started the brouhaha on this current thread, when I wrote:
So since my last post, here is my summary of the discussion (sans snarkiness).
I can’t remember much about the deleted thread, or even if I posted, but I do remember at least a couple of posts by Machka, asking the correspondents to get back on-subject. Straying from the OP seems hardly a reason to delete the thread though (I was going to cite a funny commentary on wandering threads, but the Joke and Humor subforum appears deleted )
I liked what Rowan wrote about the communications style on Bike Forums.
and as @alan s nicely perceivedSo I’d like to re-state that question that I asked on 2/17, What is the value or utility to you of looking up old posts/threads?
…I recall a fairly recent thread, perhaps started by you,Machka, asking how do you sell an LCF/LCL lifestyle (in general), but to my dismay I couldn’t find it…
You're right, I did start a thread like that.
You're also right that you could not find it.
I deleted it.
You're also right that you could not find it.
I deleted it.
I was dismayed, not outraged (actually frustrated) that I couldn’t find that thread, knowing it just had to be there…I only very rarely can’t find a thread; that was the first one in a long time…
One thread that I cite occasionally, "How Do You Communicate on Forums vs Face-to-Face," was actually closed because it became so hostile, but is still online.
One thread that I cite occasionally, "How Do You Communicate on Forums vs Face-to-Face," was actually closed because it became so hostile, but is still online.
… But I sometimes spend time, maybe even do a little research before composing my response to a thread. Machka and the moderators never notified me and never asked for my permission to trash my work, so I had no way of telling them about it.
And now we'll never be able to find out what I (or yourself) wrote on that thread because Machka basically crumpled it up and threw it in the trash can.
The point isn't to take posts too seriously, it is to acknowledge that there is something of worth here occasionally, and it should not be randomly deleted…
She just didn't think people were responding appropriately to "her" thread. Instead of asking them to respond differently, she threw away the work that several people had spent time on
And now we'll never be able to find out what I (or yourself) wrote on that thread because Machka basically crumpled it up and threw it in the trash can.
The point isn't to take posts too seriously, it is to acknowledge that there is something of worth here occasionally, and it should not be randomly deleted…
She just didn't think people were responding appropriately to "her" thread. Instead of asking them to respond differently, she threw away the work that several people had spent time on
…What did you write? Do you remember?
What was the topic of the thread? Do you remember?
Do you remember how many times I asked people to respond differently?...
You do realise that everything you post here is temporary, right? I've been here long enough for there to be several server changes during which time posts were lost. And it won't be long before this forum disappears entirely ... say, maybe,5 years or 10 years…
What was the topic of the thread? Do you remember?
Do you remember how many times I asked people to respond differently?...
You do realise that everything you post here is temporary, right? I've been here long enough for there to be several server changes during which time posts were lost. And it won't be long before this forum disappears entirely ... say, maybe,5 years or 10 years…
You take this way more seriously than it (and you) deserves. Consider the discussions here as like being in a pub bar... the conversations come and go,and disappear mostly immediately they are said, rather like your posting in that thread. Some are a little more memorable and stick in people's minds.
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves...
Perhaps you can reiterate what you wrote in that thread so the people reading this one can judge for themselves...
I liked what Rowan wrote about the communications style on Bike Forums.
…Last year I came upon a post that to me embodied the communication style that I like about BF. In response to a long quote, turbo1889 wrote [not to me]:
So when I nest quotes, I feel I’m emulating a conversation…”He said," then “You said," then “I said, and now I’m saying…”
First of all you have no need to apologize for a lengthy post, least of all to me of all people. Part of the reason I like forums as opposed to other forms of written communal internet forms is becauseI consider it the "long deep conversation format" rather thenthe quick short snappy sound bite like format like twitter and such.
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