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Cygolite longevity?
I have a Cygolite Hotshot Pro 150 rear red light
Last night it stopped working. The LED is functional as it turns on constantly when plugged in (not flashing like it should when its' charging).
But when unplugged it won't power on. Just suddenly dead.
I've had it about 12-18 months. I took it apart last night and there are no signs out moisture in the housing. And I didn't hit any puddles or anything yesterday that could have killed it.
Do they just not last very long? Or is this unusual?
I liked it as a light. I'm trying to decide if I should get another one or replace it with something else that has a better longevity record.
Last night it stopped working. The LED is functional as it turns on constantly when plugged in (not flashing like it should when its' charging).
But when unplugged it won't power on. Just suddenly dead.
I've had it about 12-18 months. I took it apart last night and there are no signs out moisture in the housing. And I didn't hit any puddles or anything yesterday that could have killed it.
Do they just not last very long? Or is this unusual?
I liked it as a light. I'm trying to decide if I should get another one or replace it with something else that has a better longevity record.
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Unfortunately you are probably beyond the 12 month warranty period for Cygolites. You can opt for sending it in for repair. Information here: https://cygolite.com/warranty-and-repairs/ You must have the original sales receipt for warranty services.
It could be the battery or it could be the charging components in the light. That is a rather short lifetime for a light that sells for $33 to $50 depending upon where you buy it. Lithium polymer batteries are usually rated for 500 recharges before the capacity drops to a point where the light is less useful. Sending it in and paying for repair and return may be more than the light is worth.
It's why I have been a fan of the cheaper USB rechargeable lights. If you spend $5-$10 on a light and it fails after a year, it's no big deal. Losing $30 to $50 is a big deal for me.
It could be the battery or it could be the charging components in the light. That is a rather short lifetime for a light that sells for $33 to $50 depending upon where you buy it. Lithium polymer batteries are usually rated for 500 recharges before the capacity drops to a point where the light is less useful. Sending it in and paying for repair and return may be more than the light is worth.
It's why I have been a fan of the cheaper USB rechargeable lights. If you spend $5-$10 on a light and it fails after a year, it's no big deal. Losing $30 to $50 is a big deal for me.
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I have a Cygolite Hotshot Pro 150 rear red light
Last night it stopped working. The LED is functional as it turns on constantly when plugged in (not flashing like it should when its' charging).
But when unplugged it won't power on. Just suddenly dead.
I've had it about 12-18 months. I took it apart last night and there are no signs out moisture in the housing. And I didn't hit any puddles or anything yesterday that could have killed it.
Do they just not last very long? Or is this unusual?
Last night it stopped working. The LED is functional as it turns on constantly when plugged in (not flashing like it should when its' charging).
But when unplugged it won't power on. Just suddenly dead.
I've had it about 12-18 months. I took it apart last night and there are no signs out moisture in the housing. And I didn't hit any puddles or anything yesterday that could have killed it.
Do they just not last very long? Or is this unusual?
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This happened to me with one of my Cygolite tail lights. I don't remember the model but it wasn't a 150. It was out of warranty. Customer service told me to send it to them, and they would replace the battery. I did, and they replaced the entire light. These batteries normally last about three years, but there are some that don't, and it's hard to prevent that. Quality control can only do so much.
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Well this got weirder.
Last night nothing I did was getting it to work. Nothing. I took it apart and inspected it. It was clean and dry inside. No visible signs of deformation on the battery.
This morning...same thing. Just a constant red light on. No blinking. No indication of charging. Totally dead when unplugged.
I just plugged it in 1 more time at lunch to see if by some miracle it was suddenly working....and low and behold...it was. It's now charging. Light is flashing. After charging for 1 minute it was working properly when unplugged on battery.
Hell if I know....
The only thing I can even think of is that the battery had run down so low that it somehow couldn't register a voltage that let the circuit board charge it. Then by lunch the room is warmer and voltage goes up a tad and it will suddenly take a charge. That's my only guess.
If the circuit board was faulty or corrupted somehow the problem would not fix itself.
So...hell if I know.
Fun fact I learned...the battery is easily replaceable, at least in the Hotshots (I'm assuming all the models of Hotshots have a similar internal design) The battery is a small drone sized battery with a standard connector. It is not hard wired to the circuit board or glued to the housing. It unplugs and pops right out. So as long as you can find a replacement battery with the same specs/size/connector, it would take you about a minute to swap it out. 3 standard screws in the back of the housing.
Last night nothing I did was getting it to work. Nothing. I took it apart and inspected it. It was clean and dry inside. No visible signs of deformation on the battery.
This morning...same thing. Just a constant red light on. No blinking. No indication of charging. Totally dead when unplugged.
I just plugged it in 1 more time at lunch to see if by some miracle it was suddenly working....and low and behold...it was. It's now charging. Light is flashing. After charging for 1 minute it was working properly when unplugged on battery.
Hell if I know....
The only thing I can even think of is that the battery had run down so low that it somehow couldn't register a voltage that let the circuit board charge it. Then by lunch the room is warmer and voltage goes up a tad and it will suddenly take a charge. That's my only guess.
If the circuit board was faulty or corrupted somehow the problem would not fix itself.
So...hell if I know.
Fun fact I learned...the battery is easily replaceable, at least in the Hotshots (I'm assuming all the models of Hotshots have a similar internal design) The battery is a small drone sized battery with a standard connector. It is not hard wired to the circuit board or glued to the housing. It unplugs and pops right out. So as long as you can find a replacement battery with the same specs/size/connector, it would take you about a minute to swap it out. 3 standard screws in the back of the housing.
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I've had my Cygolite Hotshot Micro & Hotshot Pro 80 for over 3 years now.
No issues/problems. One thing I can complain about is the Pro80's charging
port; it's a mini USB. Instead of the usual micro USB on all of my other lights
+ phone. Is the Cygo 150 still mini USB? Anywhoo; will probably go with
Nitetrider 300 or Lezyne 250 if when I need another tail light.
Red Light District by 1nterceptor, on Flickr
No issues/problems. One thing I can complain about is the Pro80's charging
port; it's a mini USB. Instead of the usual micro USB on all of my other lights
+ phone. Is the Cygo 150 still mini USB? Anywhoo; will probably go with
Nitetrider 300 or Lezyne 250 if when I need another tail light.
Red Light District by 1nterceptor, on Flickr
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Cyogolite switched to MircoUSB on all new products. The Hotshot 150 is MicroUSB
Also...that must be the safest bench in the world. I bet no one ever hits it by accident.
Also...that must be the safest bench in the world. I bet no one ever hits it by accident.
I've had my Cygolite Hotshot Micro & Hotshot Pro 80 for over 3 years now.
No issues/problems. One thing I can complain about is the Pro80's charging
port; it's a mini USB. Instead of the usual micro USB on all of my other lights
+ phone. Is the Cygo 150 still mini USB? Anywhoo; will probably go with
Nitetrider 300 or Lezyne 250 if when I need another tail light.
Red Light District by 1nterceptor, on Flickr
No issues/problems. One thing I can complain about is the Pro80's charging
port; it's a mini USB. Instead of the usual micro USB on all of my other lights
+ phone. Is the Cygo 150 still mini USB? Anywhoo; will probably go with
Nitetrider 300 or Lezyne 250 if when I need another tail light.
Red Light District by 1nterceptor, on Flickr
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of my work tower - I get an overload warning. It goes away after a few minutes; but it's the only light
that does that. My other lights(Blitzu 168, Niterider 150, Cygo Micro, Planetbike 800, Niterider 650, etc);
don't give an overload signal.
Check out this bench at the 15 second mark
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@Skipjacks, maybe there was moisture causing a short and the moisture dissipated? That's all I've got.
PLEASE tell us where to get these batteries! I'd like my lights to outlast their batteries.
PLEASE tell us where to get these batteries! I'd like my lights to outlast their batteries.
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@Skipjacks, maybe there was moisture causing a short and the moisture dissipated? That's all I've got.
PLEASE tell us where to get these batteries! I'd like my lights to outlast their batteries.
PLEASE tell us where to get these batteries! I'd like my lights to outlast their batteries.
I'm sure they are an off the shelf product. I refuse to believe Cygolite burned R&D money to get a custom battery at 5 times the cost per unit. It's just a matter of finding the battery they used.
If you pulled the battery out and took it to a battery store, here we have a place called Batteries+Bulbs that specializes in oddball batteries and lights, I'm sure they could match it.
My guess...if you could find them, is that they would cost $10 or less.
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OK, thanks. That's enough to go on, I guess. I pass one of those stores often enough. Did you actually find the battery you would need after an hour's search?
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Took 2 minutes to disassemble both to find that the Hotshot 2W and the Hotshot PRO use the exact same battery pack.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
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I am still using the old model hotshot, the 2 watt one I believe and it is still going strong. I don't use it daily though. I ran an old cygolite halogen light for years before I switched to HID then finally LED. I've had great luck with Cygolite.
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Took 2 minutes to disassemble both to find that the Hotshot 2W and the Hotshot PRO use the exact same battery pack.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
You wouldn't have to fine THAT battery, just one that that voltage and physically fits in the casing. (And that doesn't explode. That sounded like a good safety tip.)
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Took 2 minutes to disassemble both to find that the Hotshot 2W and the Hotshot PRO use the exact same battery pack.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
Li-ion 3.7V -- 3.1Wh 830mAh
Model: J139
28mm H
39mm W
8mm D
Battery appears to have a typical JST micro 3-pin connector. I haven't been able to find a matching item yet, all of the results keep bringing back LiPos, and I'd rather not have my light explode, as there is no built-in discharge limiting circuit.
https://www.batteryjunction.com/empi...e-battery.html
We're getting closer though
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Oh, I've been looking. Cygolite makes a whole lotta lights, it's not outside the realm of possibility that they had these batteries batch made. I found one Li-ion that was close in dimensions, but has a 2-wire lead.
That one is too long because it's the explodey LiPo kind, and has to have the regulator board on the end.
I have the battery from my original Hotshot 2W, which has a broken pin in the mini-USB port-- so it can't be charged. While I have one "extra" battery, finding a source for replacements would be great.
That one is too long because it's the explodey LiPo kind, and has to have the regulator board on the end.
I have the battery from my original Hotshot 2W, which has a broken pin in the mini-USB port-- so it can't be charged. While I have one "extra" battery, finding a source for replacements would be great.
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Yes, even at $15 for a replacement battery that's battery that's better that buying a new light for $40
Assuming the casing and buttons are in good working order, of course.
I do find that the battery lasts forever between charges though. I use the 1 second blink interval. I hardly ever need to charge mine. So if it does last 500 cycles like it should....that's just short of forever. So by the time by battery actually burns out (and doesn't just go haywire like mine did earlier this week) there will probably be a better cheaper light on the market I might want instead.
Assuming the casing and buttons are in good working order, of course.
I do find that the battery lasts forever between charges though. I use the 1 second blink interval. I hardly ever need to charge mine. So if it does last 500 cycles like it should....that's just short of forever. So by the time by battery actually burns out (and doesn't just go haywire like mine did earlier this week) there will probably be a better cheaper light on the market I might want instead.
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I'm still blown away by how small the battery is for the rated capacity. It's really small. If the third wire is just for a thermistor (overheat protection for charging) then a 2-wire could be used by just swapping plugs. I would only consider that as an option if I can find the correct sized packs from Asia, where they would be $2-3 each.
...or just 3D print a new housing and put a 2,000mAh in there. Would run for days.
...or just 3D print a new housing and put a 2,000mAh in there. Would run for days.
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I'm still blown away by how small the battery is for the rated capacity. It's really small. If the third wire is just for a thermistor (overheat protection for charging) then a 2-wire could be used by just swapping plugs. I would only consider that as an option if I can find the correct sized packs from Asia, where they would be $2-3 each.
...or just 3D print a new housing and put a 2,000mAh in there. Would run for days.
...or just 3D print a new housing and put a 2,000mAh in there. Would run for days.
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While I've never tried it, I'm not sure the Hotshot will operate while charging, as it goes into "charging mode," where the LED blinks/lights to indicate the charging state.
Been browsing Amazon to see "what's new." Still no competitors for brightness/battery life at the price point.
Been browsing Amazon to see "what's new." Still no competitors for brightness/battery life at the price point.
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While I've never tried it, I'm not sure the Hotshot will operate while charging, as it goes into "charging mode," where the LED blinks/lights to indicate the charging state.
Been browsing Amazon to see "what's new." Still no competitors for brightness/battery life at the price point.
Been browsing Amazon to see "what's new." Still no competitors for brightness/battery life at the price point.
The blinking 'charge indicator' light is replaced by normal operation when the light is powered on. (I keep a spare USB battery pack with me for just this reason and I've used it to power my headlight while riding multiple times when the battery dies at the least opportune time)
The real question would be if the light overheats if used while charging. My bet is the flashing light at 1 second intervals doesn't produce enough heat to make added heat from charging a problem. But the headlight in 'constant on' mode it might. Like I said I've charged it while using it in real world use, but never thought to made sure it wasn't overheating. I also don't think I've ever done it in 'constant on' mode while riding at night. I'm pretty sure I've only done it when flashing the light as a be seen light in daytime.
Also of note....the Hotshot rear light works when plugged in even if the battery is removed. The battery is not in a series circuit with the control board. It can be entirely bypassed. So if you were to try and external battery for constant power, you could remove the internal battery and also remove any worry about too much heat from use while charging. (Note: I have no idea if the headlights work the same way. I've never taken that one apart)
My god I love using electronics other than as directed by the manufacturer!
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I'm glad to learn that they are using liion. I always assumed that they were using lipo because of the form factor. It probably is a standard offering from some battery manufacturer, but that doesn't mean it's available retail
re-doodling the innards into an externally powered light is an interesting idea. Too bad I lost my hotshot 80 in the woods somewhere
re-doodling the innards into an externally powered light is an interesting idea. Too bad I lost my hotshot 80 in the woods somewhere
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How dangerous are lipo batteries? I'm willing to take some reasonable amount of risk.
Thanks for your experiments @Skipjacks. They may prove to be useful to me.
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But if something isn't working right, very.
They don't have automatic kill switches that stop the battery from charging. So they can be overcharged if there is not a regulator stopping it. That can lead to fires.
And if they discharge too fast and become hot they tend to get a little 'splodey'. Again, a regulator on the circuit is supposed to prevent that.
But if you put a LiPo battery in a device designed for a Li-ion that doesn't have those integrated safety features, it's basically asking for a fire.