Is a professionally repaired carbon frame sellable?
12-17-19, 05:42 PM
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I use my damaged frame as a truing stand. But reading this thread makes me think it could easily be repaired, except that I stripped it of the BB and headset. Hmmm, that could be N+1.
12-20-19, 04:18 PM
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Get it repaired, throw some lower end parts on it and throw it on your trainer as your Zwift only bike. It'll save some wear and tear on the bike you ride on the actual road and you won't notice the effects of slightly decreased quality in shifting because you're just using it on the trainer.
12-20-19, 04:22 PM
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I think this is the best choice if it’s going to be sold. It removes the liability issue from you. The repair place will most likely only honor a warranty to the original customer and if tithe new owner crashes and blames it on the repair, you know where I am heading with this.
12-21-19, 03:07 AM
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Although on second thought maybe not. Not only was the frame stripped of BB and Headset, the group that was on that bike is still on my current bike, so I'd be starting over with parts. It doesn't seem worth it, I'd rather get something completely new instead.
12-21-19, 01:26 PM
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There is a market for anything.. and just about anything is repairable. I would think about having it repaired ....depending on the cost and reputation of the repair facility,
If they are experts and give their highest confidence in the repair ( guarantee ?) I would add this to the sales pitch or better : keep it as a second bike,
store it in Switzerland, or somewhere different from where you live with great riding & go there and ride it once a year.
If it's not THAT nice of a frame : paint it ca-ca brown & use it as a street-parked-lock-up bike-commuter, that way you can train and do errands on a bike identical to your choice ride.
If they are experts and give their highest confidence in the repair ( guarantee ?) I would add this to the sales pitch or better : keep it as a second bike,
store it in Switzerland, or somewhere different from where you live with great riding & go there and ride it once a year.
If it's not THAT nice of a frame : paint it ca-ca brown & use it as a street-parked-lock-up bike-commuter, that way you can train and do errands on a bike identical to your choice ride.
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12-21-19, 07:45 PM
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Last month, I received a crash replacement carbon frameset and moved all the components over from my damaged frame. Damage was limited to the left seat stay and dropout. To my surprise, the manufacturer did not require return of the damaged frame. I'm contemplating having it repaired, but I don't have a use for it after it is done. If I have it repaired, I will use one of the reputable professional companies to do it.
But here's the question: Once I've repaired it, if I'm not going to use it, does the frame have any value? Is it still sellable for a decent price? It was originally a $2,900 frame. I hate to just trash it, but I don't want to pay $500 for repairs only to find it's worth $500 or less after the repair. I would make full disclosure, including photos, to any buyer. What do you think? Is repair, at this point, a waste of money and effort?
But here's the question: Once I've repaired it, if I'm not going to use it, does the frame have any value? Is it still sellable for a decent price? It was originally a $2,900 frame. I hate to just trash it, but I don't want to pay $500 for repairs only to find it's worth $500 or less after the repair. I would make full disclosure, including photos, to any buyer. What do you think? Is repair, at this point, a waste of money and effort?
I don't have the exact answer to this question, but what I found with a warranty replacement frame (i.e., a brand new carbon mountain bike frame -- Canyon Spectral 8) was that no one was interested in paying anything remotely approaching its worth. I suspect it is the inability to transfer a warranty; that alone is probably worth 1/3 of the price of the frame.
So -- brief answer -- it is a losing proposition. Unless it is your Open Wi.de.
Edit: After reading Psimet's post, I suggest fixing it up and donating it to someone needy (i.e., someone who would not otherwise be able to afford it), and declare the $500 (or whatever is the repair cost) as the value for a charitable contribution.
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12-21-19, 07:51 PM
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In this case whether or not you have the actual right to re-sell it I would argue that ethically you do not. The replacement frame from the company wasn’t free. When they gave it to you morally the old one is now theirs. Instead of paying to ship it back most companies rely on the local shop handling the warranty to destroy the frame. Guessing it was a smaller company or you somehow acted as your own dealer.
12-21-19, 08:00 PM
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Even if you sell it "as is no warranty" If something unrelated on the frame goes wrong, some people will sue you anyway. Imagine if someone got hurt badly. You would probably go to court. All kinds of jerks in this world. I would break it so it could not be ridden, Maybe cut in in half and smash it with a hammer. then put it in the trash at different times, Even if they say they would never sue you, and it is wrong or immoral you could still get sued and end up in court.
Or as suggested use it as a second bike, Or a bike for the trainer. Get the frame to a professional for a quote before deciding anything.
Or as suggested use it as a second bike, Or a bike for the trainer. Get the frame to a professional for a quote before deciding anything.
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12-21-19, 08:20 PM
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12-21-19, 08:29 PM
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12-21-19, 08:47 PM
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12-21-19, 08:55 PM
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The dog food company kept the dog healthy enough to hurt you.
The store selling the dog food should have known better.
The makers of the package for the dog food.....
The company the supplied the ink for the package..
ok I'll stop.
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You could try to repair it yourself. I have mended a saddle, and some ice skates with a carbon fibre repair kit that I got from Carbonology but it seems that they do not sell the kits any more, maybe. Carbonology do repairs still I think however.
But you can purchase the materials for repair from China.
Carbon cloth
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...chweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3251...0-014c2097dcbf
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3278...0-014c2097dcbf
Epoxy (I think that the epoxy is poisonous so be sure to wear gloves. )
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3303...chweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300...5-fd4cce5b65c4
There are very cheap groupsets from China these days, as I learnt on another thread here.
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...t=Sensa+empire
And I get wheels from China.
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...psort=1&page=1
But you can purchase the materials for repair from China.
Carbon cloth
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...chweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3251...0-014c2097dcbf
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3278...0-014c2097dcbf
Epoxy (I think that the epoxy is poisonous so be sure to wear gloves. )
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3303...chweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300...5-fd4cce5b65c4
There are very cheap groupsets from China these days, as I learnt on another thread here.
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...t=Sensa+empire
And I get wheels from China.
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...psort=1&page=1
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12-30-19, 08:36 PM
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Even if you sell it "as is no warranty" If something unrelated on the frame goes wrong, some people will sue you anyway. Imagine if someone got hurt badly. You would probably go to court. All kinds of jerks in this world. I would break it so it could not be ridden, Maybe cut in in half and smash it with a hammer. then put it in the trash at different times, Even if they say they would never sue you, and it is wrong or immoral you could still get sued and end up in court.
Or as suggested use it as a second bike, Or a bike for the trainer. Get the frame to a professional for a quote before deciding anything.
Or as suggested use it as a second bike, Or a bike for the trainer. Get the frame to a professional for a quote before deciding anything.
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12-31-19, 06:29 AM
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Do not ride on repaired golf club shafts - got it.
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12-31-19, 08:11 AM
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Not to get political
But didnt the president effectively do away with charitable.donation deductions
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I don't have the exact answer to this question, but what I found with a warranty replacement frame (i.e., a brand new carbon mountain bike frame -- Canyon Spectral 8) was that no one was interested in paying anything remotely approaching its worth. I suspect it is the inability to transfer a warranty; that alone is probably worth 1/3 of the price of the frame.
So -- brief answer -- it is a losing proposition. Unless it is your Open Wi.de.
Edit: After reading Psimet's post, I suggest fixing it up and donating it to someone needy (i.e., someone who would not otherwise be able to afford it), and declare the $500 (or whatever is the repair cost) as the value for a charitable contribution.
So -- brief answer -- it is a losing proposition. Unless it is your Open Wi.de.
Edit: After reading Psimet's post, I suggest fixing it up and donating it to someone needy (i.e., someone who would not otherwise be able to afford it), and declare the $500 (or whatever is the repair cost) as the value for a charitable contribution.
12-31-19, 01:18 PM
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I never imagined a thread about bike repairs could be twisted into a political topic! (But this is the internet, after all.)
I'm not sure anyone is still reading the entire thread anymore but, just in case: The frame which is the original topic of the thread is not repairable. If it were just a seat stay or a top tube -- no problem. That's what they do every day. But because the rear thru-axle dropout is broken, none of the professionals wants to touch it.
If they can't fix it, I can't fix it. And I'm not going to sell or donate it to someone who might get their hopes up and/or do something stupid. Legal liability or not, I'm not comfortable with it. The frame is done. It's passed on. It has ceased to be. Expired and gone to meet its maker. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's useful life is now history. It has kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! It is an EX-frameset!
I'm not sure anyone is still reading the entire thread anymore but, just in case: The frame which is the original topic of the thread is not repairable. If it were just a seat stay or a top tube -- no problem. That's what they do every day. But because the rear thru-axle dropout is broken, none of the professionals wants to touch it.
If they can't fix it, I can't fix it. And I'm not going to sell or donate it to someone who might get their hopes up and/or do something stupid. Legal liability or not, I'm not comfortable with it. The frame is done. It's passed on. It has ceased to be. Expired and gone to meet its maker. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's useful life is now history. It has kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! It is an EX-frameset!
12-31-19, 01:36 PM
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12-31-19, 01:37 PM
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You are mistaken, but it's a common mistake. Congress wrote those bills, and passed them, the president only made them law. Blame your representatives. Also, consider why you're making a contribution; if you're doing it for a deduction, you might be doing it wrong.
01-02-20, 01:26 PM
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This thread went a few directions... So, OP's frame was probably not repairable and legality might have been questionable. In general, however, if I were going to consider a repaired frame, I would prefer to see the damaged frame before repairs and decide to buy it in that condition or not. Once its repaired, the buyer has no idea how bad the damage was originally and that makes it feel much riskier. If you insist on doing the repair, I would document the condition of the before state with lots of pictures.
