Better to buy high-end used or mid-range new?
10-16-20, 01:49 PM
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i have four bikes with Ultegra Di2 - two are the older 10 speed and two are the newest 11 speed. The 11 speed actually is locked out of the two smaller cogs on the big ring, thus rendering it to a 10 speed anyway.
The performance at the shifter is the same for both new and old as best I can tell after 30,000 miles........
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10-16-20, 03:51 PM
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Is this personal experience, or anecdotal?
i have four bikes with Ultegra Di2 - two are the older 10 speed and two are the newest 11 speed. The 11 speed actually is locked out of the two smaller cogs on the big ring, thus rendering it to a 10 speed anyway.
The performance at the shifter is the same for both new and old as best I can tell after 30,000 miles........
i have four bikes with Ultegra Di2 - two are the older 10 speed and two are the newest 11 speed. The 11 speed actually is locked out of the two smaller cogs on the big ring, thus rendering it to a 10 speed anyway.
The performance at the shifter is the same for both new and old as best I can tell after 30,000 miles........
10-16-20, 06:53 PM
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I think practically speaking having disc or not makes no difference when you're riding with high pressure tires. There are hills here that I will absolutely not descend on a road bike while the streets are wet. The wet limit for me is tire traction, not the brake power. And I'm not even talking about the leaves and gravel and road paint. Even with rim brakes on a wet carbon rim I can lock both wheels if I'm not careful. I believe that in slippery conditions your survival depends on being careful and thinking ahead and brake power doesn't really enter into it.
I want disc brakes on my road bike but I think their extra power is only needed on an mtb.
I want disc brakes on my road bike but I think their extra power is only needed on an mtb.
10-16-20, 11:59 PM
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Yeah, I glossed over that, something else was demanding my attention.
10-18-20, 06:12 PM
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always top of the line used, i made over $100 selling used Red 22 on eBay after using it for over 3 years, made upgrading to DA 9170 very painless, brought them used again ofc
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10-19-20, 06:54 AM
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Mid range is Ultegra or Force and that cost is $5,000 to $7,000.
Used tends to be old school, 23 tires and rim brakes and no electric shifting .
Midrange new with electronic shifting is the way to go.
10-19-20, 01:14 PM
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So I've been looking to buy a new road bike somewhere in the 1200-1500 euro price range. I've spotted a used but very good condition Felt AR4 2012 for 1300. Aero bike with Ultegra groupset, though older so 10sp. Though I think it's limited to 23mm wheels.
Alternatively I may go for a Vitus Zenium CR. 11sp 105 groupset with disc brakes but maybe 1 or 2kg heavier and less aero. Also would cost a couple hundred more.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Alternatively I may go for a Vitus Zenium CR. 11sp 105 groupset with disc brakes but maybe 1 or 2kg heavier and less aero. Also would cost a couple hundred more.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
If you plan to keep the bike a long time, i’d go new. Most warranties don’t transfer and you can easily replace the entire 105 group after they ware out, years down the road. Of course, this only applies if you can tolerate the extra weight.
The used higher end bike is already more or less obsolete. Finding reasonably priced replacement parts will likely be an issue. So, even if you only need a new brake lever grip, it may be hard to find one or simply easier to upgrade the whole smack which changes the price/value calculus. Of course, if you plan to ride the bike only for a year or 2, the used bike likely gives you a much better value. Also, if you plan to race the bike, the lighter weight, used bike might be a better choice. Finally, i’d be very careful about purchasing a used carbon fiber frameset. That is, I’ve owned several framests (Carbon fiber, alu, and cromo) over the years, and i’ve had a couple carbon fiber warranty replacements (but no alu or cromo).
10-19-20, 02:28 PM
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how many years/miles do you intend to ride the bike? How do you plan to use the bike?
If you plan to keep the bike a long time, i’d go new. Most warranties don’t transfer and you can easily replace the entire 105 group after they ware out, years down the road. Of course, this only applies if you can tolerate the extra weight.
The used higher end bike is already more or less obsolete. Finding reasonably priced replacement parts will likely be an issue. So, even if you only need a new brake lever grip, it may be hard to find one or simply easier to upgrade the whole smack which changes the price/value calculus. Of course, if you plan to ride the bike only for a year or 2, the used bike likely gives you a much better value. Also, if you plan to race the bike, the lighter weight, used bike might be a better choice. Finally, i’d be very careful about purchasing a used carbon fiber frameset. That is, I’ve owned several framests (Carbon fiber, alu, and cromo) over the years, and i’ve had a couple carbon fiber warranty replacements (but no alu or cromo).
If you plan to keep the bike a long time, i’d go new. Most warranties don’t transfer and you can easily replace the entire 105 group after they ware out, years down the road. Of course, this only applies if you can tolerate the extra weight.
The used higher end bike is already more or less obsolete. Finding reasonably priced replacement parts will likely be an issue. So, even if you only need a new brake lever grip, it may be hard to find one or simply easier to upgrade the whole smack which changes the price/value calculus. Of course, if you plan to ride the bike only for a year or 2, the used bike likely gives you a much better value. Also, if you plan to race the bike, the lighter weight, used bike might be a better choice. Finally, i’d be very careful about purchasing a used carbon fiber frameset. That is, I’ve owned several framests (Carbon fiber, alu, and cromo) over the years, and i’ve had a couple carbon fiber warranty replacements (but no alu or cromo).
At the moment it's looking like I'll have both the Felt AR4 (2012, ultegra, used but very good condition, tires increased to 25mm and fizik saddle), and a Giant TCR Advanced 2 (2020, new, 105, 25mm tubeless but supports 28mm). Both weigh just under 8kg and have carbon frames with internal routing.
Might end up keeping both or might sell one.
