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07-15-23, 06:07 AM
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07-15-23, 09:31 AM
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07-15-23, 09:51 AM
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He knows the cable guides are not original. His question is, are they accurate for Cinelli? The ones on his bike use one “loop,” whereas he thinks maybe each guide should have two loops.
My 1989 Cinelli has single loops. I don’t know whether or not Cinelli used double loops when they started using braze-ons. If the frame was restored in the late 1980, maybe Cycleart just used whatever Cinelli was using at the time?
07-15-23, 12:20 PM
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That’s what I thought.
He knows the cable guides are not original. His question is, are they accurate for Cinelli? The ones on his bike use one “loop,” whereas he thinks maybe each guide should have two loops.
My 1989 Cinelli has single loops. I don’t know whether or not Cinelli used double loops when they started using braze-ons. If the frame was restored in the late 1980, maybe Cycleart just used whatever Cinelli was using at the time?
He knows the cable guides are not original. His question is, are they accurate for Cinelli? The ones on his bike use one “loop,” whereas he thinks maybe each guide should have two loops.
My 1989 Cinelli has single loops. I don’t know whether or not Cinelli used double loops when they started using braze-ons. If the frame was restored in the late 1980, maybe Cycleart just used whatever Cinelli was using at the time?
This bike which is absolutely original, documented from Andrea Cinelli, built for Cino's doctor with many "special touches" including a date-able serial number, has the double loop top tube cable guides. I'll be showing this bike at the July Bob Freeman gathering, it's pretty interesting, a small format "Ridotto" with 75 degree head angle and Phil hubs from the Cinelli shop. One of the very last built by Valsasella before Columbo took over.
and thanks for keeping me on topic here smd4 , I got a lot going on and don't follow every post on every thread. I was not disputing the originality of the shift lever bosses, simply pointing out that they are incorrectly rigged. The stop plate should sit flush with the down tube.
/markp
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07-15-23, 12:42 PM
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"Perhaps the down-tube shifter braze-ons were added too. I haven't consulted campy catalogues to see when the braze on's first became available. Maybe someone who knows the Cinelli time-line could school me."
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am certainly no Tulliana expert
earliest catalogue have access to is Nr. 12 of MCMLIII
on pagina XIX it shows the shift lever braze-ons as items Nr. 611/1 & 600/1
these early ones have stop plates with housing stops integral
do not know how much further back they may go
member iab is sure to be able to give you more and better information...
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"Perhaps the down-tube shifter braze-ons were added too. I haven't consulted campy catalogues to see when the braze on's first became available. Maybe someone who knows the Cinelli time-line could school me."
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am certainly no Tulliana expert
earliest catalogue have access to is Nr. 12 of MCMLIII
on pagina XIX it shows the shift lever braze-ons as items Nr. 611/1 & 600/1
these early ones have stop plates with housing stops integral
do not know how much further back they may go
member iab is sure to be able to give you more and better information...
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the levers on this subject bike are much later, the backing plates without the cable ports came about the same time as the redesigned levers.
‘this bike was refinished, modified with updated parts probably in the late late 70’s or 80’s quite a mix, earlier external bar fastener stem, all kinds of subtle exchanges. A bit surprised no Cinelli handlebar caps.
Other Cyclart executive decisions, the world stripes on the seat tube are theirs, as is the model name as a decal, original was a sticker in this era.
when this bike was refinished, “period correct” was not a grail, it was refinish for further use. Adding braze-ons just enhanced that and the bottom line of the invoice.
does not show the rear triangle was spread, so some nod to history.
07-16-23, 02:53 PM
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The owner kept this bike in his bathroom. I keep my bikes in the living room, the dining room and sometimes the kitchen, like everybody else.
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downtube shift bosses were available in the 1950’s. Just not very commonly used.
the levers on this subject bike are much later, the backing plates without the cable ports came about the same time as the redesigned levers.
‘this bike was refinished, modified with updated parts probably in the late late 70’s or 80’s quite a mix, earlier external bar fastener stem, all kinds of subtle exchanges. A bit surprised no Cinelli handlebar caps.
Other Cyclart executive decisions, the world stripes on the seat tube are theirs, as is the model name as a decal, original was a sticker in this era.
when this bike was refinished, “period correct” was not a grail, it was refinish for further use. Adding braze-ons just enhanced that and the bottom line of the invoice.
does not show the rear triangle was spread, so some nod to history.
the levers on this subject bike are much later, the backing plates without the cable ports came about the same time as the redesigned levers.
‘this bike was refinished, modified with updated parts probably in the late late 70’s or 80’s quite a mix, earlier external bar fastener stem, all kinds of subtle exchanges. A bit surprised no Cinelli handlebar caps.
Other Cyclart executive decisions, the world stripes on the seat tube are theirs, as is the model name as a decal, original was a sticker in this era.
when this bike was refinished, “period correct” was not a grail, it was refinish for further use. Adding braze-ons just enhanced that and the bottom line of the invoice.
does not show the rear triangle was spread, so some nod to history.
Thank god.
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07-16-23, 03:20 PM
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This bike which is absolutely original, documented from Andrea Cinelli, built for Cino's doctor with many "special touches" including a date-able serial number, has the double loop top tube cable guides. I'll be showing this bike at the July Bob Freeman gathering, it's pretty interesting, a small format "Ridotto" with 75 degree head angle and Phil hubs from the Cinelli shop. One of the very last built by Valsasella before Columbo took over.
Is there any rhyme or reason about when Cinelli used either the single loop or double loop guides? Maybe just whatever they had on hand?
07-16-23, 03:27 PM
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This bike has a unique serial number that dates it to 1977. it is one of the very last bikes built before Columbo took over. I have seen one other "Ridotto" like this, and it too had Phil hubs, they were supplied from Cinelli.
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07-16-23, 03:33 PM
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Interesting piece of history. Thanks!
07-16-23, 04:40 PM
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I've heard of barn finds but this is different.
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07-16-23, 08:29 PM
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My brain got stuck on "he has this Cinelli in his bathroom" and the rest of the post sounded like the adults in the Peanuts cartoon shows making trombone sounds.
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07-23-23, 08:42 AM
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Suggest:
Red bar tape (again)
Pedals.
Just enough honestly-earned dirt so that you don't dare throw it on your white bedspread.
Nice bike.
I am the sole authority on the correctness of my bicycle.
Red bar tape (again)
Pedals.
Just enough honestly-earned dirt so that you don't dare throw it on your white bedspread.
Nice bike.
I am the sole authority on the correctness of my bicycle.
07-23-23, 05:29 PM
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Well, I have certainly seen some passionate behavior and discussion about bicycles, but taking your bike to a hotel for some bed-play is another level for sure;-)
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