Front wheel issue. Opinions appreciated.
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Sorry, but no.
Earlier, specifically to avoid endless argument, I linked an authoritive article explaining galling. I gather you didn't bother, and I get that because it's longish.
But here's the opening paragraph....
An important aspect of any part’s design and maintenance is the component’s resistance to wear. Adhesive wear is the product of two metal surfaces being rubbed together. Under a sufficient load, this will penetrate the oxide film on the surface of metals like aluminum and stainless steel. When the force exceeds the metal’s strength, adhesion or cold welding occurs.
It goes on and into greater depth. But the takeaway is that galling results from a metal's affinity for itself, not heat.
So, while we can all speculate, I'm a fan of Occam's Razor....
We have a material prone to galling, we have the right conditions for galling, we have an end result that looks like it might galling, so I'm going to guess that it's probably galling.
FWIW, it's a mistake to think only about rubber brake shoes. The shoes pick up all kinds of grit capable of abrasively machining rims, resulting in aluminum bits embedding in the shoe, giving the aluminum on aluminum friction that galling is about.
I've seen countless examples over the years, and it's most pronounced in certain alloys, so I see it on low end rims, and less so on better rims.
Earlier, specifically to avoid endless argument, I linked an authoritive article explaining galling. I gather you didn't bother, and I get that because it's longish.
But here's the opening paragraph....
An important aspect of any part’s design and maintenance is the component’s resistance to wear. Adhesive wear is the product of two metal surfaces being rubbed together. Under a sufficient load, this will penetrate the oxide film on the surface of metals like aluminum and stainless steel. When the force exceeds the metal’s strength, adhesion or cold welding occurs.
It goes on and into greater depth. But the takeaway is that galling results from a metal's affinity for itself, not heat.
So, while we can all speculate, I'm a fan of Occam's Razor....
We have a material prone to galling, we have the right conditions for galling, we have an end result that looks like it might galling, so I'm going to guess that it's probably galling.
FWIW, it's a mistake to think only about rubber brake shoes. The shoes pick up all kinds of grit capable of abrasively machining rims, resulting in aluminum bits embedding in the shoe, giving the aluminum on aluminum friction that galling is about.
I've seen countless examples over the years, and it's most pronounced in certain alloys, so I see it on low end rims, and less so on better rims.
Cold welding is not a description of two materials being permanently bonded.
As I already explained, the pores galling leaves can allow chunks to get wedged into the in a process that is more like riveting. But a very large chunk requires an equally large hole, not just some light surface roughness.
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Trying to grind a piece of aluminum on a bench grinder, aluminum will immediately embed into the grinding wheel, requiring hours of flicking out each piece, or dressing the wheel to remove both the aluminum and some abrasive. (Thus signs at machine shop grinders, "NO ALUMINUM".) Steel?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
“The thermite reaction can take place accidentally in industrial locations where workers use abrasive grinding and cutting wheels with ferrous metals. Using aluminium in this situation produces a mixture of oxides that can explode violently”.
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Another reason for those signs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
“The thermite reaction can take place accidentally in industrial locations where workers use abrasive grinding and cutting wheels with ferrous metals. Using aluminium in this situation produces a mixture of oxides that can explode violently”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
“The thermite reaction can take place accidentally in industrial locations where workers use abrasive grinding and cutting wheels with ferrous metals. Using aluminium in this situation produces a mixture of oxides that can explode violently”.
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The "cold welding" described in the article is an explanation of what happens that causes metal to tear away, not be permanently deposited. It is a description of how surface friction can briefly exceed the shear strength of the metal. Galling is common in fasteners and applications where closely fit parts rub together at high speeds.
Cold welding is not a description of two materials being permanently bonded.
As I already explained, the pores galling leaves can allow chunks to get wedged into the in a process that is more like riveting. But a very large chunk requires an equally large hole, not just some light surface roughness.
Cold welding is not a description of two materials being permanently bonded.
As I already explained, the pores galling leaves can allow chunks to get wedged into the in a process that is more like riveting. But a very large chunk requires an equally large hole, not just some light surface roughness.
One source of difficulty is that cold welding does not exclude relative motion between the surfaces that are to be joined. This allows the broadly defined notions of galling, fretting, stiction and adhesion to overlap in some instances. For example, it is possible for a joint to be the result of both cold (or "vacuum") welding and galling (or fretting or impact). Galling and cold welding, therefore, are not mutually exclusive.
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Find a science or industry picture of a chunk of metal cold welded to another.
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Good point! I knew of thermite from other things, but never made the connection on grinders. Thanks. I recall stationary disc/belt sanders used for chamfering edges and other stuff on materials of all kinds, wood, steel, aluminum, never recall seeing a warning sign, but sounds like there should have been, or at least daily cleaning of the swarf from them.
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