so what's after 10 speed?
09-03-06, 05:34 AM
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so what's after 10 speed?
11 speed? Since it seems like they're already pushing the limit (thin chains, thin cogs).. what's next?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
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Originally Posted by djtrackie
11 speed? Since it seems like they're already pushing the limit (thin chains, thin cogs).. what's next?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
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Originally Posted by djtrackie
what's next?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
Any guesses?
Also, anybody know what's Shimano coming up with next year?
09-03-06, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by djtrackie
11 speed?
"But mine goes to eleven" (have to use an english type accent to make it work though)
-D
09-03-06, 06:22 AM
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I would vote for a return to 9 speed.
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I would like to see a 7 or 8 speed grouppo designed for tourists. Instead of making everything wimpier it should be stronger. Instead of more gears it should be wider
with a 22/36/50 crank. It ought to be a complete grouppo with it's own brifters and
deraileurs.
Shimano is planning on going past 11; but I don't see the point. Racers
can have their mechanics replace the entire grouppo after a couple races with
stuff supplied free by Shimano. But at some point the absurdity of pursuing one
design goal to the detriment of other design goals ought to start soaking in,
You don't see people driving Nascar or F1 cars down the street. The only sane
approach is to specialize with different grouppos for different activities. Shimano
has dominated the market so long it sells what it feels like selling. Take a look at cars. They are vastly more complicated, yet the market has niches within niches.
They need some competition.
with a 22/36/50 crank. It ought to be a complete grouppo with it's own brifters and
deraileurs.
Shimano is planning on going past 11; but I don't see the point. Racers
can have their mechanics replace the entire grouppo after a couple races with
stuff supplied free by Shimano. But at some point the absurdity of pursuing one
design goal to the detriment of other design goals ought to start soaking in,
You don't see people driving Nascar or F1 cars down the street. The only sane
approach is to specialize with different grouppos for different activities. Shimano
has dominated the market so long it sells what it feels like selling. Take a look at cars. They are vastly more complicated, yet the market has niches within niches.
They need some competition.
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"vario" chainless, using a cone type arrangement, as used in some cars....
or
"automatic", some electronics that measure cadence, speed, strain on pedal and select a gear for you.... (Or the Team manager could do it from you from the car depending on your EPO dosage!)
or
"automatic", some electronics that measure cadence, speed, strain on pedal and select a gear for you.... (Or the Team manager could do it from you from the car depending on your EPO dosage!)
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I would think that 11 speed would potentially require the rear dropout spacing to be widened.
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14 speed - rumored for some time!
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Originally Posted by late
You don't see people driving Nascar or F1 cars down the street. .
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Shimano has patents (and has had for years) for rear gearing going as high as 14 cogs.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonKarter21
Not to be a stickler, but people have been driving stock cars for forever, NASCAR doesn't have technology.
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Originally Posted by derath
"But mine goes to eleven" (have to use an english type accent to make it work though)
-D
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7 - 8 speed is more than I need. I live in a flat place. Chains last long and aren't expensive or tricky.
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
7 - 8 speed is more than I need. I live in a flat place. Chains last long and aren't expensive or tricky.
I have one bike with 7 speeds. I use it for lunch time traning rides up a little mountain near work. I agree that for the most part there is not much need for more gearing...a few months back, I hit 50 mph on the way down. but for longer ride a few extra gears of 9 speed is nice. I have two road bikes and a cross bike on 9 speed. all the parts are readily available and the prices are still reasonable. and the masterlink make chain removal easy.
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Originally Posted by rollin
"vario" chainless, using a cone type arrangement, as used in some cars....
or
"automatic", some electronics that measure cadence, speed, strain on pedal and select a gear for you.... (Or the Team manager could do it from you from the car depending on your EPO dosage!)
or
"automatic", some electronics that measure cadence, speed, strain on pedal and select a gear for you.... (Or the Team manager could do it from you from the car depending on your EPO dosage!)
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Why is it that we chastise a triple, or a compact crank(which is my choice) but a double with 11-14 cogs in the back would be ok?
from a WW viewpoint, wouldn't 1 additional chainring up front be lighter than 4 more in the back?
from a WW viewpoint, wouldn't 1 additional chainring up front be lighter than 4 more in the back?
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Originally Posted by bung
I would think that 11 speed would potentially require the rear dropout spacing to be widened.
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Originally Posted by fogrider
first, I think the 10 speed stuff is junk. I was riding up a local climb and half way up, a guy was on the side of the road working on his 10 speed chain. a friend has da 10 and he has changed his chain 3 times in less than 2 years. and I've heard of 10 speed chains failing.
I have one bike with 7 speeds. I use it for lunch time traning rides up a little mountain near work. I agree that for the most part there is not much need for more gearing...a few months back, I hit 50 mph on the way down. but for longer ride a few extra gears of 9 speed is nice. I have two road bikes and a cross bike on 9 speed. all the parts are readily available and the prices are still reasonable. and the masterlink make chain removal easy.
I have one bike with 7 speeds. I use it for lunch time traning rides up a little mountain near work. I agree that for the most part there is not much need for more gearing...a few months back, I hit 50 mph on the way down. but for longer ride a few extra gears of 9 speed is nice. I have two road bikes and a cross bike on 9 speed. all the parts are readily available and the prices are still reasonable. and the masterlink make chain removal easy.
Just out of curiousity, how many miles a week do you put in on your 7 speed bike?
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
Just out of curiousity, how many miles a week do you put in on your 7 speed bike?