Attack escape supplies
11-27-08, 09:09 AM
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Attack escape supplies
Living in New York City and watching the progress of the Mumbai attacks, I'm reminded that I keep meaning to figure out an escape plan. We live right at the George Washington Bridge, my three-year-olds are used to riding in a double bike trailer, and I know the bike route to Piermont, so that seems a reasonable first-stage destination: over the bridge and North.
What I'm mulling now is what to keep ready in the "go bag," which I figure will be a handlebar-mounted bag of some kind that I can just sling up and ride away with. It only has to contain emergency-specific things, since I've already got the basic tube/wrench/lube supplies in my pannier.
Are any of you doing anything similar?
A NY Route 9W map, diapers and wipes, a couple of bottles of Pediasure...what else?
What I'm mulling now is what to keep ready in the "go bag," which I figure will be a handlebar-mounted bag of some kind that I can just sling up and ride away with. It only has to contain emergency-specific things, since I've already got the basic tube/wrench/lube supplies in my pannier.
Are any of you doing anything similar?
A NY Route 9W map, diapers and wipes, a couple of bottles of Pediasure...what else?
11-27-08, 09:55 AM
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This is just my opinion:
In an attack similar to Mumbai, the best place to be is your fortified, well-stocked home, with a good defense plan and plenty of ammunition - not on the move with virtually no supplies to a location which may or may not be safer, and which may or may not even be accessible.
But yes, the bicycle would be a great way to move quickly through unknown terrain, without attracting too much attention if you absolutely had to leave.
In an attack similar to Mumbai, the best place to be is your fortified, well-stocked home, with a good defense plan and plenty of ammunition - not on the move with virtually no supplies to a location which may or may not be safer, and which may or may not even be accessible.
But yes, the bicycle would be a great way to move quickly through unknown terrain, without attracting too much attention if you absolutely had to leave.
11-27-08, 10:01 AM
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My kid sister(28) who lives in a large city in the Midwest that shall remain nameless is doing much the same, I personally always keep my backpack ready to go.
First aid kit of some sort might be a good place to start. Really depends on how far you want to take it.
Always good to be prepared for things.
First aid kit of some sort might be a good place to start. Really depends on how far you want to take it.
Always good to be prepared for things.
11-27-08, 10:08 AM
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'How to commute during the apocalypse'
man this could turn into a really weird thread by days end.
man this could turn into a really weird thread by days end.
11-27-08, 10:10 AM
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Thanks!
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
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11-27-08, 10:16 AM
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Thanks!
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
11-27-08, 10:21 AM
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This is just my opinion:
In an attack similar to Mumbai, the best place to be is your fortified, well-stocked home, with a good defense plan and plenty of ammunition - not on the move with virtually no supplies to a location which may or may not be safer, and which may or may not even be accessible.
But yes, the bicycle would be a great way to move quickly through unknown terrain, without attracting too much attention if you absolutely had to leave.
In an attack similar to Mumbai, the best place to be is your fortified, well-stocked home, with a good defense plan and plenty of ammunition - not on the move with virtually no supplies to a location which may or may not be safer, and which may or may not even be accessible.
But yes, the bicycle would be a great way to move quickly through unknown terrain, without attracting too much attention if you absolutely had to leave.
https://www.readyoc.org/residents/plan.htm
I don't know if you need to prepare for an assault like Mumbai; if something like that happened I'd think the NYPD, FBI, & military would quickly isolate the area and it would be a bad idea to leave unless directed to do so. Barrricade the door, stay where you are, and listed to news reports for info. However, if you had to move out of NYC-proper and all public transportation was shut down (like post-9/11), a bicycle would be a godsend.
11-27-08, 10:23 AM
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Thanks. It's going to be pepper spray.
Weaponry is settled. Another thread for it, someplace distinct from this thread, could be fascinating for all involved.
What else goes in the go-bag? I'm especially interested in hearing from bike commuters who have theirs together already.
Weaponry is settled. Another thread for it, someplace distinct from this thread, could be fascinating for all involved.
What else goes in the go-bag? I'm especially interested in hearing from bike commuters who have theirs together already.
11-27-08, 10:23 AM
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Yup. There's no way you'll get off the island if A.) the military doesn't want you to leave, or B.) everyone else is also trying to leave. This is part of why my siblings no longer live in Manhattan, despite living in the city.
11-27-08, 10:26 AM
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Thanks, uke. Useful as always.
11-27-08, 10:31 AM
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Yeah, towing kids over a bridge and wondering what you shouldn't forget to pack = total macho delusion.
If you weren't here for 9-11, you think this is fantasy. If you were, and, let's say, weren't sure if your wife was still alive until she walked all the way from midtown into Queens, you may see it differently.
But I agree, let's not derail this with Rambocity. A couple of bottles of Pediasure, a first aid kit, some diapers...what else?
If you weren't here for 9-11, you think this is fantasy. If you were, and, let's say, weren't sure if your wife was still alive until she walked all the way from midtown into Queens, you may see it differently.
But I agree, let's not derail this with Rambocity. A couple of bottles of Pediasure, a first aid kit, some diapers...what else?
11-27-08, 10:40 AM
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Well my gear that I keep for packed is essentially my hiking/hitch hikekit which I've been all around the world with. It'd be kinda a struggle on a bike...I need a BoB trailer and I'd be golden. Course if all goes nuts I'll be driving as far as possible then have the bike as backup(I don't live in a major metro area though)
Water purification tabs might be a good idea for you handle bar bag kit. Alcohol stove maybe, small first aid kit, space blanket,maybe a compass, some type of firestarting implement, and a multi tool like a Leatherman perhaps.
Water purification tabs might be a good idea for you handle bar bag kit. Alcohol stove maybe, small first aid kit, space blanket,maybe a compass, some type of firestarting implement, and a multi tool like a Leatherman perhaps.
11-27-08, 10:41 AM
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11-27-08, 10:42 AM
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Thanks!
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
I doubt another attack on NYC would be Mumbai-style. More likely something big, and I'd just want to GET OUT. The main obstacle for most people is getting off the island itself, but we live right at the entrance of a bridge that has a bike path cars can't get onto. I can be towing my children into New Jersey 20 minutes after walking the bike and trailer out the door.
(And even in the event of something more like Mumbai, I don't agree that trying to defend the fifth floor of an apartment building with a broken elevator is a superior tactical decision than running away. The word "treed" comes to mind.)
This brings up an excellent point I hadn't thought about, though: weapons. I should at least have some pepper spray along just in case.
A request: If anyone's tempted to make this a gun debate, please help me flesh out my plan, not yours.
you can explain your actions to the Police after your family is safe 
EDIT! Bring guns and ammo, when you do (if ever) get the chance to leave. Most peolpe trying to rob and steal during a crisis are cowards, if they see you with a gun they'll more than likely move on to the next person. Survival, its as close to real life as one can get.
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You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve
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When I was in my youth, I seemed drawn to the "end-of-the world" genre of science fiction. Has anyone ever seen the British film, Threads about how all the interconnectedness of modern civilization could quickly unravel in a disaster. It was much more terrifying than The Day After, and that was my last time thinking about the end-of-the-world.
11-27-08, 10:47 AM
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If you're escaping the city like that I presume you may not be coming back or will perhaps return to ruins. When I have thought about what to flee with I suggest irretrievable photographs and legal papers.
When I was in my youth, I seemed drawn to the "end-of-the world" genre of science fiction. Has anyone ever seen the British film, Threads about how all the interconnectedness of modern civilization could quickly unravel in a disaster. It was much more terrifying than The Day After, and that was my last time thinking about the end-of-the-world.
When I was in my youth, I seemed drawn to the "end-of-the world" genre of science fiction. Has anyone ever seen the British film, Threads about how all the interconnectedness of modern civilization could quickly unravel in a disaster. It was much more terrifying than The Day After, and that was my last time thinking about the end-of-the-world.
11-27-08, 10:51 AM
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Guys... thanks, but I'm not going to learn to hotwire boats (and learn to drive them) or buy guns and ammo (and keep in practice shooting them), and I may very well hunker down and wait it out, depending on what's going on.
All I'm asking is what goes in the bag I keep by the door, not what shredded leather jacket goes best with a mohawk and crossbow.
Littlefoot, thanks!
All I'm asking is what goes in the bag I keep by the door, not what shredded leather jacket goes best with a mohawk and crossbow.
Littlefoot, thanks!
11-27-08, 10:56 AM
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Guys... thanks, but I'm not going to learn to hotwire boats (and learn to drive them) or buy guns and ammo (and keep in practice shooting them), and I may very well hunker down and wait it out, depending on what's going on.
All I'm asking is what goes in the bag I keep by the door, not what shredded leather jacket goes best with a mohawk and crossbow.
Littlefoot, thanks!
All I'm asking is what goes in the bag I keep by the door, not what shredded leather jacket goes best with a mohawk and crossbow.
Littlefoot, thanks!
11-27-08, 11:06 AM
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Here's what the American Red Cross recommends.
https://www.redcrossstore.org/shopper...x?LocationId=1
BTW, for those of us who live in earthquake territory, a piece of advice we adhere to is keeping our emergency kits *outside* the house in a waterproof location. In an earthquake you may be able to escape your home but be unable to get back inside, either because of quake damage or the fire that could follow (one of my colleagues keeps heavy tools like crowbars, sledgehammer, etc. in case he has to tunnel back into the home to pull his family out).
Another very handy thing to have in case of emergency is $$$; in a real emergency electrical system could be out, ATM's unavailable.
https://www.redcrossstore.org/shopper...x?LocationId=1
BTW, for those of us who live in earthquake territory, a piece of advice we adhere to is keeping our emergency kits *outside* the house in a waterproof location. In an earthquake you may be able to escape your home but be unable to get back inside, either because of quake damage or the fire that could follow (one of my colleagues keeps heavy tools like crowbars, sledgehammer, etc. in case he has to tunnel back into the home to pull his family out).
Another very handy thing to have in case of emergency is $$$; in a real emergency electrical system could be out, ATM's unavailable.
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11-27-08, 11:12 AM
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How can you think of cleaning a rear derailleur at a time like--
Oh, you mean for the children.
Oh, you mean for the children.