For the love of English 3 speeds...
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The nice thing about using an early 70s SuperCourse for such a conversion is that they don't have a derailleur hanger and are spaced at 120mm in the rear triangle, so a 3-speed hub with a 6 1/4" axle will fit without serious modification. Running cable stops and pulley wheels can be a bit fiddly, but quite do-able. Last weekend I had my '73 SuperCourse equipped with a 5-speed rear hub out for a 30 miler.
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gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
They were re branded Phillips bicycles
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/
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gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
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I've never seen a 4 speed hub, but I know about those Indian Scouts.
They were re branded Phillips bicycles
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/
They were re branded Phillips bicycles
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/
all the best, Julius in Ohio
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Sturmey Archer made plenty of 4 speeds. Mostly they were used on the higher end club style bikes. Roadsters were usually 3 speeds. From the late 40s till around 1955, all the trigger shifters were made to work on both 3 and 4 speed hubs, so you'll see older 3 speed roadsters with shifters marked 3 or 4 speed.
It had drop handlebars. Sturmey Archer gears, Celluloid Fenders, rat trap pedals and 27 x 1 1/4 gum tyres...very light weight. The owner used to do 100 milers on weekends...needless to say we were impressed.
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gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate.
Julius in Ohio
They were re branded Phillips bicycles
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
How much do you think you've spent,
excluding labour, of course ?
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Estimates as follows:
Bike $280
Saddle $150
Tires $100
Grips $10
Cables $40
Pedals $60
Bearings etc. $10
Hand painted details Priceless!
Grand Total $ 650.00
I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that.
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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Why did you have to ask that question? I was having a nice day!
Estimates as follows:
Bike $280
Saddle $150
Tires $100
Grips $10
Cables $40
Pedals $60
Bearings etc. $10
Hand painted details Priceless!
Grand Total $ 650.00
I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that.
Estimates as follows:
Bike $280
Saddle $150
Tires $100
Grips $10
Cables $40
Pedals $60
Bearings etc. $10
Hand painted details Priceless!
Grand Total $ 650.00
I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that.
I can see how much attention
has been applied to this one.
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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Glad you like the Royal Nord, now believed to be around 1956-60. I expect I must have 160hours of fun building this bike. Now I may be selling my coffee 1972 Sports as this makes 3peed #4.
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Looks like they only make metallic braided housings. Oh well, looks like I'm back to my project of making them with tube shoe laces. Not that I have an early roadster project going now, but I have been putting up parts for one when it comes along and I'll be needing black braided housings.
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Why did you have to ask that question? I was having a nice day!
Estimates as follows:
Bike $280
Saddle $150
Tires $100
Grips $10
Cables $40
Pedals $60
Bearings etc. $10
Hand painted details Priceless!
Grand Total $ 650.00
I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that.
Estimates as follows:
Bike $280
Saddle $150
Tires $100
Grips $10
Cables $40
Pedals $60
Bearings etc. $10
Hand painted details Priceless!
Grand Total $ 650.00
I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that.
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Looks like they only make metallic braided housings. Oh well, looks like I'm back to my project of making them with tube shoe laces. Not that I have an early roadster project going now, but I have been putting up parts for one when it comes along and I'll be needing black braided housings.
https://www.missionbicycle.com/store...-cable-housing
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Here's a one owner Superbe for sale in Toronto.
Complete
Nice chrome
Pump, saddlebag and key
$225.00
Complete
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I've posted this before but it seems appropriate since it's a Canadian bike. The left side column of the Rim Chart shows the English sizes, of which there's two 28 x 1 1/4. One of them is a 630 mm/27" K2 which is easy enough to find. The next is an Endrick rim called an EA2 (sorry I said EA4, another obsolete size). This EA2 has the 80 inch bead circumference and is the equivalent to a 647 mm bead. The problem is that if and when you find these tires, they are always rotted out. I think real rubber didn't last long. This (your) Gold Medal is from the 50's however and just maybe, they did a run of these tires with a more modern compound. I seriously think there's a number of collectors on Vintage CCM that would pay well for this wheelset if it's the larger size.
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The rim chart is rather amazing. Two of the rows in the "rim" column identify a rim "K2 27 x 1 1/4" with a circumference around 77.92 (actually 77.89) inches. This is the designator on my 1952 or so Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1 1/4 rims, which take modern wire bead 630 x 32 mm. But the tire designator on the left-hand side says 28"!
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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The rim chart is rather amazing. Two of the rows in the "rim" column identify a rim "K2 27 x 1 1/4" with a circumference around 77.92 (actually 77.89) inches. This is the designator on my 1952 or so Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1 1/4 rims, which take modern wire bead 630 x 32 mm. But the tire designator on the left-hand side says 28"!
NOS Kendas 27" x 1 1/2" 37-630
they have an old style block tread and look appropriate.
Old tires were Dunlop Speedsters @ 28" x 1 1/4" (Canadian size..)
I re used one original Dunlop tube
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Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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@agmetal is correct. SG is a common abbreviation for straight gauge instead of the lighter butted or double butted tubing.
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@agmetal is correct. SG is a common abbreviation for straight gauge instead of the lighter butted or double butted tubing.