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Old 05-23-18, 11:02 PM
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Close passes by large vehicles (video)

These are really scary, especiall the second one, @0:41-0:52, that was more than 10 seconds next to the long truck. I get close passes by express buses a lot, and sometimes garbage truck at night.

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Happens with cars as well.

Trucks and bus drivers just have this mentality that people need to get out of their way whether they are on a bike or in a car.

I'm not sure what's behind this mentality if its because they are on the road 8 hours a day (its there job after all) or because they are the biggest vehcles but it exist. I get trucks doing what they did to you on multi-lane highways to me all the time when I'm driving my little car.

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These are really scary, especiall the second one, @0:41-0:52, that was more than 10 seconds next to the long truck. I get close passes by express buses a lot, and sometimes garbage truck at night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdyKSYzpNaY
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This video is a perfect example of why its never a good idea to hug the curb.

I always leave at least 1 meter of space between the edge of the roadway.

I will pull into a driveway or an intersection if there is an aggressive driver that doesn't have any patience, or bail off the road completely when all else fails. (haven't had to do that in years though)
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Most of these cyclists should have been riding much further away from the curb, even 'taking the lane'.
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Old 05-24-18, 11:11 AM
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I see the problem!

the vehicles are driving on the wrong side of the rode
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Old 05-24-18, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
Most of these cyclists should have been riding much further away from the curb, even 'taking the lane'.
+1. "Ride Large and Take Charge" vs. Hide in the gutter and "hope" the motorists do right.
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Old 05-24-18, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
I have this nightmare of some debrie on the road causing me to fall into the ground, at same time a big truck is passing closely. And falling into empty space between the wheels and then get run over by the rear wheel.
This happened to a member of our bike club while riding in Florida this past winter. There was no evidence of motorist negligence. The pavement ran out unexpectedly and wheels dropped onto sand. Story under Wall of Rememberance thread.
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Old 05-24-18, 12:02 PM
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The stupid anlage of a bike lane gives all parties the wrong idea. Curbs are deadly too.
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Old 05-25-18, 07:26 AM
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I would not ride there
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Old 05-25-18, 08:12 AM
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There are a *SMALL* number of commercial operators who put EVERYONE around them at risk.

People in cars around them.
People on foot around them.
People on bikes around them.
EVERYONE around them.

Note that at 01:08 in the above video the person on the bike "rides large and takes charge" right into a near pull out.

Yeah, so let's see, ride in the "gutter" versus "ride large and take charge."


Warning - shadow NSFW in the first video.



If you think you control commercial operators with lane position, then you believe in magic.

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Old 05-25-18, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_bill

If you think you control commercial operators with lane position, then you believe in magic.
Its more about self control, than controlling others.

Same as following distance, the more you have the more options you have.

There will always be risk involved when riding on public roads.

All anyone can do is try to predict what could happen, and try to have an escape route if possible.
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Old 05-25-18, 09:42 AM
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reminds me of a morning commute cpl yrs ago 7/26/16 (before my sportcam developed a buzz). was on a narrow road but most passing was fine. then I heard a big machine approaching from behind. it didn't sound encouraging, especially considering the road I was on. I think I was using a helmet mounted mirror at the time but regardless, I decided to just pullover & stop to let the beast (& trailing vehicles) pass me

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Old 05-25-18, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SHBR
Same as following distance, the more you have the more options you have.
I can control the following distance that I HAVE with the vehicle in front of me.
I can *NOT* control the following distance that I HAVE with the vehicle behind me.

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Old 05-25-18, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
reminds me of a morning commute cpl yrs ago 7/26/16 (before my sportcam developed a buzz). was on a narrow road but most passing was fine. then I heard a big machine approaching from behind. it didn't sound encouraging, especially considering the road I was on. I think I was using a helmet mounted mirror at the time but regardless, I decided to just pullover & stop to let the beast (& trailing vehicles) pass me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYK-nOxqHsg
I didn't even have to pull over a few years ago in Montréal:




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Old 05-25-18, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_bill
I didn't even have to pull over a few years ago in Montréal
haha nice. a stop sign, just in time
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Old 05-25-18, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SHBR
I always leave at least 1 meter of space between the edge of the roadway.
Exactly.

I would like to see some state laws to be amended to clarify what "as far right as practicable" means. You need to leave some maneuvering space.
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Old 05-25-18, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
reminds me of a morning commute cpl yrs ago 7/26/16 (before my sportcam developed a buzz). was on a narrow road but most passing was fine. then I heard a big machine approaching from behind. it didn't sound encouraging, especially considering the road I was on. I think I was using a helmet mounted mirror at the time but regardless, I decided to just pullover & stop to let the beast (& trailing vehicles) pass me
Yeah, that is the smart thing to do, but it is not always possible and it is not always practical pulling over is a lot easier in rural roads than during an urban commute).

The thing that is definitely in our control is never passing large vehicles on the turning side, even if the cyclist has the right of way or whatever, it is a terrible idea. I cringe every time I see a cyclist do it. It is crazy. Whenever I see a car is turning right in front of me I slow down to let it go before me.
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Old 05-25-18, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by salcedo
never pass large vehicles on the turning side, even if the cyclist has the right of way or whatever, it is a terrible idea. I cringe every time I see a cyclist do it. It is crazy
yup, good way to get squished
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I will oftentimes pull over to let large trucks pass. I figure they have less room to maneuver and if I only leave them the option to pass, sooner or later they're going to. Probably makes them as nervous as me.
I should qualify that I live and ride in mostly rural areas and encounters with large commercial vehicles is not an every ride occurrence.
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Originally Posted by WNCGoater
I will oftentimes pull over to let large trucks pass. I figure they have less room to maneuver and if I only leave them the option to pass, sooner or later they're going to. Probably makes them as nervous as me.
I should qualify that I live and ride in mostly rural areas and encounters with large commercial vehicles is not an every ride occurrence.
Encounters with HUGE commercial vehicles is dozens of times per ride. I can count the commercial operators who are a problem with about a finger per year. That is part of why I get so irate at the apologists who blame the victim.

(Speaking of fingers. That produce box truck is part of a small fleet. I vowed I would keep my finger on my handlebars and drop a dime on the operator if there is ever a next time. So far, there hasn’t been a next time.)

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Originally Posted by mr_bill
There are a *SMALL* number of commercial operators who put EVERYONE around them at risk.]
Agreed. No question at all about this. I share the road with plenty of dump trucks and school busses on my work commute. The vast majority are very careful around me.

Originally Posted by SHBR
Its more about self control, than controlling others.

Same as following distance, the more you have the more options you have.

There will always be risk involved when riding on public roads.

All anyone can do is try to predict what could happen, and try to have an escape route if possible.
Right. More space is always going to be safer. How could anyone argue with this?

Originally Posted by mr_bill


Encounters with HUGE commercial vehicles is dozens of times per ride. I can count the commercial operators who are a problem with about a finger per year. That is part of why I get so irate at the apologists who blame the victim.

(Speaking of fingers. That produce box truck is part of a small fleet. I vowed I would keep my finger on my handlebars and drop a dime on the operator if there is ever a next time. So far, there hasn’t been a next time.)

-mr. bill




If you ride the edge in a tight lane, (like many in the OP's video's) leaving yourself absolutely zero space to move into when one of these "rare" big rig drivers decides they just have to pass you within inches, then yes, it is partially your fault. But hey, at least you got a great video and got to say it was the driver who was wrong. (which is true) What a wonderful consolation prize.

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Old 06-04-18, 03:44 AM
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I don't budge for large vehicles. I 'take the lane' and stay that way..
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