Disc brakes are now the default on road bikes and no one cares
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I've never crashed using the sole of my shoe as a brake, so I'm going to conclude they're good enough (and lower maintenance than drums, discs, or rim brakes!)
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I care. I recently got my first bike with hydraulic brakes, a used one I thought was a bargain, and have had so much hassle and expense getting the brakes working that I am pulling out my hair.
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For hydraulics I had to buy the absurdly expensive Shimano oil, tubes, syringes, and then give it multiple transfusions to replace the fluid. Then replace the expensive brake pads. Then spend hours polishing and tweaking the rotors to make them flat. Then get a new expensive lockring to secure the rotor. Then get a lockring tool to attach it it. Align the brakes. All the time being paranoid about getting a drop of oil on the pads and poisoning them.
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For hydraulics I had to buy the absurdly expensive Shimano oil, tubes, syringes, and then give it multiple transfusions to replace the fluid. Then replace the expensive brake pads. Then spend hours polishing and tweaking the rotors to make them flat. Then get a new expensive lockring to secure the rotor. Then get a lockring tool to attach it it. Align the brakes. All the time being paranoid about getting a drop of oil on the pads and poisoning them.
FWIW, a bleed kit costs 20 bucks and another 20 bucks will get you enough Shimano mineral oil to last a personal fleet about a decade.
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I stand corrected and agree with your conclusion. Come to think of it, I rode fixed-brakeless for years which is zero brake maintenance, but not really adequate stopping power. I crashed a bunch of times.
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The lockring was not missing, but it was the wrong type; could not tighten up after I took it off to service the wheel bearings. Just found that out so I'm still pissed about that.
I didn't need a litre of oil, I don't have a fleet of bikes that use it but it cost about twice what Shimano wanted for 60 ml, which would barely give one bleed,so I had to buy it. Walked 90 minutes to a bike shop that had it.
If it ever works, it tethers you to a repair base, you can't carry all the crap you need to fix it if you are away. I spent a few years bike touring in Asia; not going to do that with hydraulics.
Anyway, it's true I got a dog; but I've fixed up dozens of bikes and got them roadworthy in my life, never had so much hassle.
Now I understand why I see so many bikes with rotors on the wheels but have rim brakes fitted. So much easier to just to bolt on rim brakes from a junk box or an old bike and ride away than maintain hydraulics.
No problem with them being an option; not happy if it is the ONLY option.
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Seems that there's nothing new under the sun, today, just as when those 10 speed bikes were popular, wider tires have a greater appeal to a greater number of consumers.
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Serious question - do they work so well that you don't even think about their being wet? With rim brakes in the rain I just adjust my thinking and technique to accommodate for what I know will be reduced performance - how much less accommodation would I be making with discs?
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My experience is that disk brakes work very well in the rain. There's essentially zero accommodation for the brakes working, but you still have to account for the loss of traction on wet pavement. My experience is also that if you ride very much in the rain, the grime and oil from the road contaminates the pads so there's nothing you can do to get them to stop squealing but clean the rotors and replace the pads. I've never worn out a set of disk brake pads but have replaced them many times just to stop the noise.
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All those problems were with disc brakes, so yes.
The lockring was not missing, but it was the wrong type; could not tighten up after I took it off to service the wheel bearings. Just found that out so I'm still pissed about that.
Not where I live, which is not in the USA.
I didn't need a litre of oil, I don't have a fleet of bikes that use it but it cost about twice what Shimano wanted for 60 ml, which would barely give one bleed,so I had to buy it. Walked 90 minutes to a bike shop that had it.
If it ever works, it tethers you to a repair base, you can't carry all the crap you need to fix it if you are away. I spent a few years bike touring in Asia; not going to do that with hydraulics.
Anyway, it's true I got a dog; but I've fixed up dozens of bikes and got them roadworthy in my life, never had so much hassle.
Now I understand why I see so many bikes with rotors on the wheels but have rim brakes fitted. So much easier to just to bolt on rim brakes from a junk box or an old bike and ride away than maintain hydraulics.
No problem with them being an option; not happy if it is the ONLY option.
The lockring was not missing, but it was the wrong type; could not tighten up after I took it off to service the wheel bearings. Just found that out so I'm still pissed about that.
Not where I live, which is not in the USA.
I didn't need a litre of oil, I don't have a fleet of bikes that use it but it cost about twice what Shimano wanted for 60 ml, which would barely give one bleed,so I had to buy it. Walked 90 minutes to a bike shop that had it.
If it ever works, it tethers you to a repair base, you can't carry all the crap you need to fix it if you are away. I spent a few years bike touring in Asia; not going to do that with hydraulics.
Anyway, it's true I got a dog; but I've fixed up dozens of bikes and got them roadworthy in my life, never had so much hassle.
Now I understand why I see so many bikes with rotors on the wheels but have rim brakes fitted. So much easier to just to bolt on rim brakes from a junk box or an old bike and ride away than maintain hydraulics.
No problem with them being an option; not happy if it is the ONLY option.
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My experience is that disk brakes work very well in the rain. There's essentially zero accommodation for the brakes working, but you still have to account for the loss of traction on wet pavement. My experience is also that if you ride very much in the rain, the grime and oil from the road contaminates the pads so there's nothing you can do to get them to stop squealing but clean the rotors and replace the pads. I've never worn out a set of disk brake pads but have replaced them many times just to stop the noise.
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If you have enough pad left, put some sandpaper on a flat surface and scrub your pad faces. I've done this with resin pads - it went pretty quickly and worked dandy. I'm just bedding in my first set of metallic pads, so no experience with them in this regard, but I would imagine that it would work fine, though it might take a little more elbow grease and/or different grit sandpaper.
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If you have enough pad left, put some sandpaper on a flat surface and scrub your pad faces. I've done this with resin pads - it went pretty quickly and worked dandy. I'm just bedding in my first set of metallic pads, so no experience with them in this regard, but I would imagine that it would work fine, though it might take a little more elbow grease and/or different grit sandpaper.
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Yeah, I guess a more specific adjective would be "world champion classic", since most road bikes from the 70's and early 80's were 27'', which is over 32 mm wide.
Seems that there's nothing new under the sun, today, just as when those 10 speed bikes were popular, wider tires have a greater appeal to a greater number of consumers.
Seems that there's nothing new under the sun, today, just as when those 10 speed bikes were popular, wider tires have a greater appeal to a greater number of consumers.
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Clearances didn't start crunching down across the board until into the 1980s.
since most road bikes from the 70's and early 80's were 27'', which is over 32 mm wide.
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I didn't, really - for whatever reason, the new set of Ultegra levers/calipers came with metal pads installed, so I figured I'd give em a chance and use em.
Side note: I hope these things get considerably better after they bed in, because their stopping power is ass compared to resin so far.
Side note: I hope these things get considerably better after they bed in, because their stopping power is ass compared to resin so far.
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Cantilevers can be more prone to housing compression since the shorter pulls produce more cable tension, but if that's stiff, a good canti setup can produce quite a lot of clamping and fork flex. Case in point, check out these pads on the Tektro CR720s on my Campeur:
I foolishly set them up flat to the rim, and they went ahead and toed themselves in fairly dramatically. And that's not just in the brake mechanism: the flex under strong braking forces is clearly visible in the front rack, which has its upper mounts on the canti posts.
Interestingly, I see much less of that effect on the Deore T610 v-brakes on my gravel bike, which also gets a lot of hard stops on paved use. Those brakes also feel quite stiff without any boosting despite having very high mechanical advantage, but they're on a very beefy frameset, originally an early-80s MTB.
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My experience is that disk brakes work very well in the rain. There's essentially zero accommodation for the brakes working, but you still have to account for the loss of traction on wet pavement. My experience is also that if you ride very much in the rain, the grime and oil from the road contaminates the pads so there's nothing you can do to get them to stop squealing but clean the rotors and replace the pads. I've never worn out a set of disk brake pads but have replaced them many times just to stop the noise.
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If you have enough pad left, put some sandpaper on a flat surface and scrub your pad faces. I've done this with resin pads - it went pretty quickly and worked dandy. I'm just bedding in my first set of metallic pads, so no experience with them in this regard, but I would imagine that it would work fine, though it might take a little more elbow grease and/or different grit sandpaper.
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The good thing is that we all get to ride whatever we want (or can afford lol).
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