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Old 06-25-18, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
Guys, thanks for the ideas.

My biggest concern with immodium would be keeping something in that ought to be out. Of course it's mostly water, so it may actually be a huge help hydration wise.

I've used it mountaineering. I don't have any reason not to try.
Yes, since Imodium is an anti-chologenic, you'll tend to retain more water when you take it, and you also won't have to pee as much--also a helpful thing when biking, helping keep the water in your system and keeping you hydrated.

As to your worries about "keeping something in..." all you're doing is delaying it so it comes out when it's more convenient. Imodium is pretty benign, which is why it's available OTC, it's not addictive, and you'll only be taking it intermittently, anyway. Give it a shot. It won't hurt you, and could well be a huge improvement in enjoying early morning rides!
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Metamucil in the bottles?
If you let metamucil sit it eventually turns to a gel. Might be a problem getting it out of the bottle while riding Ö
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Originally Posted by Wheever View Post


I have similar issues due to lyme disease, actually. I have to stay away from all insoluble fiber, pretty much, unless I'm having something with lots of soluble fiber with it, and even then I have to be careful. (Ie: I can have salad with pizza.)

I didn't make the comment to the OP in jest, btw. 2-4 imodium on those days where he has to get up early and has the problems described wouldn't be harmful or dangerous for him. It would probably solve his issue entirely, and the pills would have worn off by the next day.

Imodium is pretty much all that allows me to function normally in the world. I'm highly habituated and have to take A LOT. (So, of course, the kids have found a way to get high off of it, so they're starting to make it more difficult to get the supply I need.) All the prescription drug that are supposed to have the same effect turned out to, paradoxically, make things much, much worse for me. (Paradoxical responses to medications is very common in chronic lyme.) I even keep a supply of imodium in my top tube bag for those long rides.

Have you tried probiotics for your issues, rpenman? Did it have any positive effect at all? I recommend the PB8 as mentioned above just as a matter of intestinal health, not unlike a multivitamin. Have you tried taking enzymes with food? I have found both of those to be quite helpful in moderating my problems. (If I don't take the enzymes, especially with oily foods, the results can be ugly, and I have to take lactaid with the above-mentioned pizza.)
Probiotics have no effect on my problem. Folks should be aware that Imodium is related distantly to opioids, but it is not dangerous at all.

What puzzles me is folks saying that fiber helps. Fiber, soluble or insoluble does absolutely nothing good for me. I softens the stool, makes it sticky and pasty, increases the frequency of bowel movements, and causes incredible flatus. Basically I take Imodium to counteract the effects of dietary fiber. Fiber supplements are sold for the purpose of increasing the frequency of bowel movements, not slowing them down.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Fiber supplements are sold for the purpose of increasing the frequency of bowel movements, not slowing them down.
Well that's interesting, I didn't know that. My experience is that it makes it more likely to all come out at once rather than in several smaller and looser installments. I guess your mileage (heh) may vary.
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Old 06-25-18, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Probiotics have no effect on my problem. Folks should be aware that Imodium is related distantly to opioids, but it is not dangerous at all.

What puzzles me is folks saying that fiber helps. Fiber, soluble or insoluble does absolutely nothing good for me. I softens the stool, makes it sticky and pasty, increases the frequency of bowel movements, and causes incredible flatus. Basically I take Imodium to counteract the effects of dietary fiber. Fiber supplements are sold for the purpose of increasing the frequency of bowel movements, not slowing them down.
Everybody is different.

Fiber would theoretically work by making it easier to poo before the ride, rather than waiting for after the ride.
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Old 06-25-18, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Probiotics have no effect on my problem. Folks should be aware that Imodium is related distantly to opioids, but it is not dangerous at all.

What puzzles me is folks saying that fiber helps. Fiber, soluble or insoluble does absolutely nothing good for me. I softens the stool, makes it sticky and pasty, increases the frequency of bowel movements, and causes incredible flatus. Basically I take Imodium to counteract the effects of dietary fiber. Fiber supplements are sold for the purpose of increasing the frequency of bowel movements, not slowing them down.
That's the idea, not to take it just before your ride but regular usage. I have fewer, but more full movements. I feel I "empty out" much better when I'm using my fiber supp. He stated needing 3 loose movements in the am before feeling good. 1 solid full gets you empty and ready to go with no potty emergencies.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Probiotics have no effect on my problem. Folks should be aware that Imodium is related distantly to opioids, but it is not dangerous at all.

What puzzles me is folks saying that fiber helps. Fiber, soluble or insoluble does absolutely nothing good for me. I softens the stool, makes it sticky and pasty, increases the frequency of bowel movements, and causes incredible flatus. Basically I take Imodium to counteract the effects of dietary fiber. Fiber supplements are sold for the purpose of increasing the frequency of bowel movements, not slowing them down.
Fiber supplements were really bad for me. I didn't understand the theory either. All the GI doctors I saw before I being diagnosed with lyme insisted fiber was the answer, somehow. I dunno. It seems like most people have more problems with constipation, hence fiber is a go-to for everything? It was like a bomb for me. Normal soluble fiber in, say, bread, or potatoes, is fine. insoluble fiber is devastatingly bad for me. Kale and the like is like a whirling blade nightmare.

Yes, Imodium is a pseudo-opioid. It's very, very slow to release, and so very little is taken up by the body. (But, of course, people have found a way to get high off of it anyway, and now it's being treated like pseudoephedine. :eyeroll: )
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Originally Posted by rseeker View Post
My experience is that it makes it more likely to all come out at once rather than in several smaller and looser installments. I guess your mileage (heh) may vary.
My gastroenterologist agrees with you. He prescribed a fiber supplement to bulk things up to prevent accidents and to limit multiple trips to the toilet.
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Old 06-25-18, 01:46 PM
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I try to take a dump before my morning rides. Coffee usually helps.
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Old 06-25-18, 02:21 PM
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Did anyone expect this thread to end up so useful with very few useless comments? Odd, considering the usual amount of keyboard diarrhea we have here.
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
Did anyone expect this thread to end up so useful with very few useless comments? Odd, considering the usual amount of keyboard diarrhea we have here.
Everybody poops.
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Did anyone expect this thread to end up so useful with very few useless comments? Odd, considering the usual amount of keyboard diarrhea we have here.
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This thread reeks of digger sock.
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This thread reeks of digger sock.
Exactly my thoughts.

digger or old Hairy...
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...they move threads like this in here from road, and then bitch about what a cesspool this is. Oh the humanity.
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This thread reeks of digger sock.
My socks donít stink.
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What, exactly, is wrong with discussing something like this? It’s natural, everyone does it, and it’s VERY important it happens, and happens correctly.

So, when it DOESN’T happen like it should, it goes to the top of your list of things to fix very quickly.

We we talk about sweat issues in BF, we talk about saddle sores, penile numbness, etc. What’s the difference?

Stop being such a bunch of prudes.
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Everybody poops.

...and hurts.
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What, exactly, is wrong with discussing something like this? Itís natural, everyone does it, and itís VERY important it happens, and happens correctly.

So, when it DOESNíT happen like it should, it goes to the top of your list of things to fix very quickly.

We we talk about sweat issues in BF, we talk about saddle sores, penile numbness, etc. Whatís the difference?

Stop being such a bunch of prudes.
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...for starters, if it were about numbness, it wouldn't hurt.
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...for starters, if it were about numbness, it wouldn't hurt.
Not physically, thereís emotional pain. When your pee-pee is numb you feel it emotionally donít you; that panic that starts down in the pit of your stomach and bubbles rapidly to the surface in a mewling screeching sort of panic.
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There are times I wish my dick was numb. This constant throbbing rage, this constant penile roar is almost exhausting sometimes.

Thank Gawd I'm so good looking and rich and can easily seek relief, temporary as it is...
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We're going to try this in the Pills & Ills forum to see if anything positive develops.
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Yes, since Imodium is an anti-chologenic, you'll tend to retain more water when you take it, and you also won't have to pee as much--also a helpful thing when biking, helping keep the water in your system and keeping you hydrated.

As to your worries about "keeping something in..." all you're doing is delaying it so it comes out when it's more convenient. Imodium is pretty benign, which is why it's available OTC, it's not addictive, and you'll only be taking it intermittently, anyway. Give it a shot. It won't hurt you, and could well be a huge improvement in enjoying early morning rides!
Small point of information: Imodium (loperamide) is not an anticholinergic, but actually an opioid, which doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. It is correct, however, that anything which decreases gut motility will potentially increase water absorption by the large bowel.
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Small point of information: Imodium (loperamide) is not an anticholinergic, but actually an opioid, which doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. It is correct, however, that anything which decreases gut motility will potentially increase water absorption by the large bowel.
Thanks for the informative reply.
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Thanks for the informative reply.
Ha, but you were right! Loperamide is mildy anticholinergic. Thanks for the occasion for a little continuing education.
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