RH Clark

It is used. Apparently to make it dry faster.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wheat-toxic/

Not always but certainly often enough for concern.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...ts/ar-BB1iooqf

Black wallnut 

I'll ask again what is your exact first hand knowledge?

In some place it has been used. In most wheat producing regions, Washington State being a rather large one it is not.

Farmers are not is such a rush to get their wheat harvested so as to buy the diesel and chemical that 2-3 weeks time in the field under natures time table would do the same. However yo are free to believe whatever you wish.

ThermionicScott 

Less questioning of mod decisions and more reports from Ataylor about how his "carnivore" diet is going, please!

Hermes

You do not seem to understand that this is a bicycling forum. The topic of this thread is riding a bicycle longer distances on the carnivore diet. If you have experience doing this, post it up. You can talk about your diet and nutrition. What you cannot do is troll others into a debate about farming techniques that have a P&R component that take the thread off topic and disrupt it.

If you cannot comply with the rules, please leave the thread and stop disrupting it.

terrymorse 

I'm heading up Mt Hamilton in about 90 minutes from now, my first full-Hamilton of 2024.

My pre-ride breakfast was decidedly anti-carnivore. Muesli, soy milk beverage, yogurt, some walnuts. And coffee -- strong coffee.

I'll probably carry a couple of Clif Shots for the ride. That is all.

MoAlpha

Diet is politics and religion.

Carbonfiberboy 

Wow. Breakfast sounds great, but 62.5 miles and 6000' on 2 Clif Shots? You really can keep it down on the climbs. Just wow. That would take a well-conditioned CFB 5 hours and cost him about maybe 1200 calories in carb intake.

terrymorse 

It's not quite that far, about 43 miles and 5100'. Garmin says ~1600 Calories. A Clif Shot at the 1 hour mark, another at the summit.


I wait until the end of the ride to consume mass quantities. That end-of-ride chow was a grande latte and a tomato mozzarella sandwich.

Carbonfiberboy 

I'd googled up this:
https://teamsanjose.org/section/hamilton/

Calculator says 1836 kJ. Either way, that's a lot of work, 1700'+/hour.

terrymorse 

That's the Hamilton Road Race course that starts in San Jose and ends in Livermore.

The summit-and-return is a shorter route, and about half of it is downhill.

For nutrition, I seem to do fine with just one Clif Shot per hour (100 Calories/hr). Even on long and hard rides. Day 2 of the Everest Challenge race was hard. It had over 12,000 feet of climbing, which I completed in just under 6 hours with 5 Clif Shots and some drink mix in the bottles.

Carbonfiberboy 

Wow. You have some serious fat burning advantages. What do you think you did to develop that? Tons of Z2 or what? Maybe I just don't have that much patience. On long rides, I'm climbing in Z3 mostly and burning lots of carbs. On 3 hour rides, I'll have 45' of Z4. On a ride like yours, I'd typically bring it up to Z4 ~45' out and then hit Z5 for the last 10'. Not racing or anything, just like to make the bike go.

terrymorse 

I don't have an explanation why I can ride long without much nutrition. It might be genetic, as my sister would do a half ironman while consuming almost nothing.

I only bonked once, while climbing White Mountain on a mountain bike. That was about 6 hours into the ride, at about 13,000 feet. I had forgotten to eat anything. A few ounces of Perpetuum, and 10 minutes of rest, and I was good to go again.

Carbonfiberboy 

That's amazing. I'm a "eat half my kJ rider" for anything over a few hours. On long rides, I start that in the first hour. No athletes contributed to my pedigree. More like lawyers and shopkeepers. But as it is said, "It's all about what you do with what you got."

kinnessa60

While I was on it, incorporating some carbs like bananas helped sustain energy for longer rides. However, it's essential to listen to your body and adjust accordingly. Experiment with different carb sources to find what works best for you while still reaping the benefits of the carnivore diet. Here y can reado some useful insights to make ur diet better.

heidipink77

I just got done trying the carnivore diet. First it made me sick and I had intense diarrhea and very weak. Nonetheless, I went out for a 22 mile ride the other night. I struggled and my muscles gave out. I remained with weak leg muscles for 2 days and decided to kick the carnivore down the road. Well I actually decided to try to slowly add meat in with some carbs. However on long bike rides which I have a 60 mile, hilly ride this weekend, I will eat mostly carbs.

50PlusCycling

I miss my Army days, when I could eat 3 times a day in the mess hall, some snacks from the PX, and eat 3 or 4 times a week at the post Burger King, and weigh only 135 pounds. On the other hand, I don’t miss running 10k every morning in addition to the other PT.

When I got back on my bike this year at the start of March, I began a new diet as well. I stopped eating sugar, bread, and rice, and greatly increased my intake of meat and fat (to the horror of my wife). I’ve lost just over 10 pounds, and my fitness has increased dramatically. It wasn’t until April that I began putting in more serious mileage, about 150 miles per week, and so far the lack of carbs hasn’t slowed me down.

Some time back my wife put me on a more-or-less vegan diet. Unfortunately, it gave me digestive issues like indigestion and bloating, and I just didn’t feel right. I did lose weight, but I also had less energy, and I became more susceptible to allergies. I usually have mild spring allergies in Japan, but at that particular time they became severe, pollen was causing small sores to erupt in my nose and my eyelids. When I stopped the vegan diet these issues went away.

I’ll continue with my current diet and see what happens. My doctor says that if I can lose another 10 pounds by June, I’ll qualify for a “health improvement prize” from Minato City in Tokyo. The prize is a plastic water tumbler which is probably worth 100 yen (about 60 cents), but if I win it, it’ll go on my trophy shelf. It won’t have much company.

RH Clark

I've experimented with my diet quite a bit over the past 6 years. I did all carnivore for 3 months once, and completely vegan for 3 months. I've also gone more than a year on less than 20 grams of carbs per day and zero sugar. All this was an attempt to lose weight and learn what a proper human diet consisted of.

A couple things I learned is that it takes a while for a body to adapt to a very low carb higher fat diet. Anyone going from higher to extremely low carb will experience fatigue until they are in full ketosis which can be measured by urine or breath analysis. Some individuals may get into full ketosis in days, and some may require weeks. Regardless of how long full ketosis takes, the body will not be fully adapted to fat burning for about 3 months. It takes that long, but the mitochondria of every cell will adapt itself to a different form to more efficiently burn fat as a fuel source.
I have personally been in and out of this situation many times over the last 6 years. Once in full ketosis and adapted to fat burning, I never experienced a lack of energy going 24-48 hours without any calories and cycling up to about 40 miles even on more than 24 hours without calories.
I went to the extreme because I was in an extreme situation of weighing 360 lbs. at age 50. I managed to lose 180 lbs. in just under 2 years with no surgery or diet pills.

john m flores 

Wow. You're half the man you used to be, and that's great!

PeteHski

The carnivore diet gets a double thumbs down from the scientist in this Zoe podcast. It’s interesting that there are no credible long term scientific studies of this diet.

RH Clark

Personally, I'm still undecided how healthy carnivore is. I feel much the same about the vegan diet. I think either is likely healthier than the standard American diet consisting of highly processed foods. I don't see any reason to adopt such an extreme diet unless facing an extreme situation.

The blue zone studies may contain some of the most comprehensive information we have on what a proper human diet should consist of.

PeteHski

The standard American diet speaks for itself. It’s a very low bar. The carnivore diet is totally devoid of fibre, so I don’t see that being very healthy in the long run.

RH Clark

I tend to agree on fiber but there are examples like the native Inuit diet consisting entirely of high fat animal protein. They have no history of heart disease or cancer until recent dietary changes.

MoAlpha

https://www.researchgate.net/profile...aWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ

RH Clark

You can find differing opinions and evidence to back them up on every subject. My opinion is to gather in as much information as possible from every source and make your best decision. I don't personally ascribe to a carnivore diet but neither do I demonize animal fats and protein as cardio vascularly unhealthy.

PeteHski

Can you provide a credible qualified source which actually supports the carnivore diet?

Eating meat in moderation as part of a mixed diet is quite a different proposition from living exclusively off meat!