Noob Question about Bike Lanes
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Didn't see it mentioned above so I would say, whatever you do, make sure you have a good tail light. The brighter the better for daytime use. Whether you are in a good bike lane or a section with no shoulder, you want people to see you from as far away as possible. I ride a lot of rural roads with little or no shoulder and feel pretty comfortable. I have a bright tail light (cygolite hotshot 250 pro) and wear jerseys or jackets that are highly visible.
Of course its no guarantee someone will see you, but will improve your odds substantially.
Of course its no guarantee someone will see you, but will improve your odds substantially.
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That's not the law here.
"a person driving a motor vehicle may cross the center lane double yellow line if necessary to pass a bicycle and no traffic is approaching from the opposite direction."
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/...ls/hb2545p.htm
"a person driving a motor vehicle may cross the center lane double yellow line if necessary to pass a bicycle and no traffic is approaching from the opposite direction."
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/...ls/hb2545p.htm
I would just ride the shoulder, but here are a few things to consider:
It's Phx. This time of year, 1/2 or more of the drivers are snowbirds who are only vaguely familiar with where they are going since they only live there a few months out of the year.
If the traffic is light, you can probably just stick to the curb, but leave yourself a couple of feet for dodging potential road debris. The cars are allowed to cross the double yellow if it's safe for them to do so (no oncoming traffic).
There is a bike lane that ends so motorists should be expecting bikes, at least in theory.
And I see a few other riders from the area have chimed in with more up to date advice. I'd listen to them. Maybe even see if they'll go on a ride with you.
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Taking a full lane as you described only pisses off people( that have a 2 ton weapon).
You don’t need to ride in the middle of the lane, just to get motorists to cross a double yellow(and give us enough room). 1/3 of the lane is plenty. Share the road.
You don’t need to ride in the middle of the lane, just to get motorists to cross a double yellow(and give us enough room). 1/3 of the lane is plenty. Share the road.
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At the beginning of my a.m. commute, I have a quarter mile gentle uphill of absolutely shoulderless 4-lane with a foot-high curb I could never ever hop. There are also "Bicycles May Use Full Lane" signs. I used to ride up the middle of the right lane with the idea of making it dead clear that there wasn't room to split. However, the amount of hostility and abuse I had to endure was simply astonishing. For the last couple of years, I take about 1/3 and it could be random chance, but I don't get the honking and yelling. The frequency of too-close passes is about the same, but I get to work happier.
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Ugh, those are the worst - just enough of an incline that you can't really hammer and keep up with the flow of traffic. If I head west, on the road just outside my door, I have one of those stretches and I almost always get buzzed there. I can avoid it if I go about a half mile out of my way, and that's what I opt to do most of the time, now.
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OP - There are easily 100 threads on this forum about lane position, to say nothing of the hundreds of websites, facebook groups, etc dedicated to the subject. It's a discussion that has gone on since the day bikes and roads both existed. Rather than belabor the point here, I'll encourage you to check out the cycling savvy website, then consult with noted authorities like Mr Soup above and then spend some time on teh road getting comfortable.
Have a great day.
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Your opinion is noted. The fact that it flies in the face of both experience and data is similarly noted. Thanks for sharing.
OP - There are easily 100 threads on this forum about lane position, to say nothing of the hundreds of websites, facebook groups, etc dedicated to the subject. It's a discussion that has gone on since the day bikes and roads both existed. Rather than belabor the point here, I'll encourage you to check out the cycling savvy website, then consult with noted authorities like Mr Soup above and then spend some time on teh road getting comfortable.
Have a great day.
OP - There are easily 100 threads on this forum about lane position, to say nothing of the hundreds of websites, facebook groups, etc dedicated to the subject. It's a discussion that has gone on since the day bikes and roads both existed. Rather than belabor the point here, I'll encourage you to check out the cycling savvy website, then consult with noted authorities like Mr Soup above and then spend some time on teh road getting comfortable.
Have a great day.
Just because you have a right to the full lane, doesn’t mean you should take the full lane. Doing that is a great way to antagonize motorists. “Owning the lane” makes you look like an ***hole.
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it’s funny how many “likes” I’ve gotten here with my “share the road” comment.
Just because you have a right to the full lane, doesn’t mean you should take the full lane. Doing that is a great way to antagonize motorists. “Owning the lane” makes you look like an ***hole.
Just because you have a right to the full lane, doesn’t mean you should take the full lane. Doing that is a great way to antagonize motorists. “Owning the lane” makes you look like an ***hole.
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I don't know where the beanster is riding, but in these parts a solo rider is likely to be run off the road by a monster truck if he makes a habit of taking the lane.
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Also, if you find yourself biking a good amount, I'd highly recommend getting a Garmin Varia (or helmet mirror, though I have no experience using one). Knowing when cars are coming from behind can give you valuable lead time to think through your options when space is tight.
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Well, of course we've all seen the statistics on all the times monster trucks have run over cyclists in East Tennessee.
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Didn't see it mentioned above so I would say, whatever you do, make sure you have a good tail light. The brighter the better for daytime use. Whether you are in a good bike lane or a section with no shoulder, you want people to see you from as far away as possible. I ride a lot of rural roads with little or no shoulder and feel pretty comfortable. I have a bright tail light (cygolite hotshot 250 pro) and wear jerseys or jackets that are highly visible.
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Of course its no guarantee someone will see you, but will improve your odds substantially.
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Not to belabor the debate, but I feel like we're splitting hairs a bit here. For a newer rider, I would just say: don't try to hug the curb, really in any situation. It's not safe for many reasons (road debris, nowhere to swerve if you have to, cars try to squeeze past you, kids running into the street, getting doored where there is parking). Whether you ride in the 1/3 or the 1/2 mark of a lane matters much less (to me) than staying away from the curb.
There are a few short spots (mostly downhill curves) where I'll intentionally "take the lane" because I'm not comfortable with a vehicle passing there. But 99.9% of the time I know vehicles are going to be looking to pass, so why make it more difficult?
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Ugh, those are the worst - just enough of an incline that you can't really hammer and keep up with the flow of traffic. If I head west, on the road just outside my door, I have one of those stretches and I almost always get buzzed there. I can avoid it if I go about a half mile out of my way, and that's what I opt to do most of the time, now.
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I've never seen this, in and of itself, as a reason to ride toward the middle of the lane.
There are a few short spots (mostly downhill curves) where I'll intentionally "take the lane" because I'm not comfortable with a vehicle passing there. But 99.9% of the time I know vehicles are going to be looking to pass, so why make it more difficult?
There are a few short spots (mostly downhill curves) where I'll intentionally "take the lane" because I'm not comfortable with a vehicle passing there. But 99.9% of the time I know vehicles are going to be looking to pass, so why make it more difficult?
I'm never trying to make things harder for anyone else, and I really don't want to piss anyone off - but sometimes you have to make an unsafe situation safer. On open roads I'm generally going to stick closer to the 1/3 rule, unless the situation calls for taking the lane.
BTW, to give you a taste of what riding is often like around here - this is pretty representative of street conditions here in our age of Uber and Amazon (and NYPD using bike lanes for parking):
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We're probably just dealing with different situations in our riding... I think a lot of this debate just comes down to context. I'm in NYC, and really don't want a car trying to squeeze past me when there's maybe (maybe) barely enough space for it to get by me. It's not safe, and I'll take lane to make sure nobody tries to squeeze by me.
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I've never seen this, in and of itself, as a reason to ride toward the middle of the lane.
There are a few short spots (mostly downhill curves) where I'll intentionally "take the lane" because I'm not comfortable with a vehicle passing there. But 99.9% of the time I know vehicles are going to be looking to pass, so why make it more difficult?
There are a few short spots (mostly downhill curves) where I'll intentionally "take the lane" because I'm not comfortable with a vehicle passing there. But 99.9% of the time I know vehicles are going to be looking to pass, so why make it more difficult?
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I'm with bbbean on this. If you hug the side around here cars just scrape by even if the opposite lane is completely empty. I always ride the middle and stay there if oncoming traffic is approaching. (preventing a close pass) if no oncoming traffic I will fade to the right to assist the pass. Also I am not riding busy roads only occasional traffic.