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Old 06-02-16, 10:15 AM
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Wheel options for my bike...

Sometime in the near future I plan to upgrade a set of wheels for my bike. I have a Trek Domane 4.0 disc with Sora gearset.
I would like to get a set of wheels with 32/36 spokes as Im a clyde. When I look at wheel sets I'm not seeing alot for disc or the Sora gear set. Endurance/road riding is my forte.
Any suggestions? Thanks
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Shimano Hub , Pick a decent rim ,, have it hand built, In a Shop that will keep it trued as after sale service.
say in the Trek dealership that built the Bike you bought.
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...<snip>.....Any suggestions?.....
Peter White. Peter White Cycles Home Page
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Old 06-03-16, 08:53 AM
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Thanks for the answers and links. I did some asking around and the guys at my local Trek shop have a awesome reputation for building wheels. I'm liking the Peter White home page.
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9,10,11 speed shimano compatible hubs should all work just uses different spacers. They don't have to be specific to sora. The extra spoke count is the limiting factor on pre built wheels not the groupset.
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Old 06-03-16, 10:57 AM
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As a poor college kid, I used to be tempted by the killer deals offered on wheels by velomine. After all, a basic wheel set online can be had at $200.

Yet, as my amount of riding increases, I have realized the value in having my LBS build my wheels. You got free spoke replacement and truing for the life of the rim at most shops.

A recent experience. LBS built wheel set for touring bike. On a shakedown ride I went down and taco'd the front wheel in the strangest way. LBS went above and beyond and only charged me the wholesale price of a replacement rim. Buying online can't do that.

As a Clyde myself, I run a set of H Plus Son Archetypes laced to Shimano 105 Disc hubs. 32h. This is on my disc roubaix. Solid wheels. LBS built the set for ~$400. Will last ages.
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Old 06-03-16, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jonpear6
As a poor college kid, I used to be tempted by the killer deals offered on wheels by velomine. After all, a basic wheel set online can be had at $200.
So you didn't actually try them I take it?

I'm a Clyde who runs 2 sets of Velomine wheelsets. They work great. I've put about 7000 miles on one wheelset (36H Deep-Vs) and about 3000 miles on the others (32H Archetypes). The Deep-Vs required a slight true after 3000 miles (rear wheel, half a turn of a spoke nipple). No broken spokes.
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I have owned three sets of Velomine wheels. XT to 650b Blunts, Archetype to Forumla Track, and a Sun CR18 to 105 road. All of them worked just fine. On a budget they worked.

I am just saying in a few hundred or a thousand miles when you need a wheel trued up a spoke replaced, the Price advantage goes away because you will have to pay for those repairs with a velomine wheel set. The cost over the life of the wheels will likely favor the LBS build in the end due to free labor and spokes.

I had my velomine track wheels trued about 2x a year and replaced a spoke 4x while I owned the wheels over 4 years. That is $120 a year more or less. That extra $400 or so spent truing would have been free with the LBS build.

Now, I was a mechanic in college and the slightest out of true bothered me. So that is why I tried the wheels 2x per year.
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Originally Posted by jonpear6
I have owned three sets of Velomine wheels. XT to 650b Blunts, Archetype to Forumla Track, and a Sun CR18 to 105 road. All of them worked just fine. On a budget they worked.

I am just saying in a few hundred or a thousand miles when you need a wheel trued up a spoke replaced, the Price advantage goes away because you will have to pay for those repairs with a velomine wheel set. The cost over the life of the wheels will likely favor the LBS build in the end due to free labor and spokes.
OK, but I have not had to do either. The small true I did myself (I own a spoke wrench and a truing stand). I could not find an LBS that would build me a similar wheels for even a $200 premium over what Velomine charged, they all started at list price for every part and then a large fee for a build. Velomine wheels are cheaper than the sum of their parts.

I had my velomine track wheels trued about 2x a year and replaced a spoke 4x while I owned the wheels over 4 years. That is $120 a year more or less. That extra $400 or so spent truing would have been free with the LBS build.
I would suggest that experience is not typical.

Now, I was a mechanic in college and the slightest out of true bothered me. So that is why I tried the wheels 2x per year.
OK? I measure true of my wheels using my truing stand. Apart from said minor truing, they are good.
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Originally Posted by jonpear6
I had my velomine track wheels trued about 2x a year and replaced a spoke 4x while I owned the wheels over 4 years. That is $120 a year more or less. That extra $400 or so spent truing would have been free with the LBS build.

Now, I was a mechanic in college and the slightest out of true bothered me. So that is why I tried the wheels 2x per year.
You trued the wheels, but truing the wheels twice a year and replacing 4 spokes total cost you $120 per year for a total of $400? How expensive was each spoke...$100?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
You trued the wheels, but truing the wheels twice a year and replacing 4 spokes total cost you $120 per year for a total of $400? How expensive was each spoke...$100?
I know that my LBS charges $20 to repair a broken spoke + the cost of parts (i.e. usually just the spoke). That includes truing the wheel. Truing alone is $15. I'd have to bust my wheels up quite a bit to get to $120 in a year.
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Well, in a city like Seattle a true from a shop with good mechanics will charge you $20-$25 a true. Same for a spoke replacement.

Also a plight of Seattle, no where to put a truing stand in 500 sq ft apartment.

Last wheel build was:

Velocity Dyad ($75 each)
SP Dynamo Hub ($120)
Shimano XT rear ($45)
72 SS DT Spokes ($100)
Wheel build charge ($50 per wheel) they did a tie and solder job at no additional fee.

$500ish dollars for the wheelset. Lifetime of Maintenance included.

Prior build:

2 mavic a719 rims ($50 each clearance)
72 DT spokes ($100)
Wheel build charge ($50ea)

I provided White Industry hubs from prior wheels.

$300 for a bombproof Wheelset.

Just giving my own feelings on the issues, guys. Calm down.

Velomine is fine. They just don't meet everyone's needs. Ben at velomine builds great wheels at a great price. But he builds to his chosen spec. His custom builds cost more than my LBS.

Also, as a former mechanic who now holds more gainful employment, I am more than happy to support a great LBS that I want to see here in town 20 years from now.
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$50 to build a wheel? That seems ridiculously cheap, IMO. That shop should raise their rate.
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Originally Posted by techsensei
$50 to build a wheel? That seems ridiculously cheap, IMO. That shop should raise their rate.
that is what the shop I go to charges.....fwiw
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Originally Posted by jonpear6
Well, in a city like Seattle a true from a shop with good mechanics will charge you $20-$25 a true. Same for a spoke replacement.

Also a plight of Seattle, no where to put a truing stand in 500 sq ft apartment.
Sure there is. As a Minoura truing stand owner who lived in a 450 square foot Wall Street Tower Belltown studio apartment with my wife and cat I'm confident you can find some place for one, like under your bed when not in use, and atop a tiny table otherwise.
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Originally Posted by techsensei
$50 to build a wheel? That seems ridiculously cheap, IMO. That shop should raise their rate.
Same at my local Trek dealer, too.
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
that is what the shop I go to charges.....fwiw
I'm not doubting you, but that is one reason why there are so few good mechanics. $50 plus free spoke replacement and truing forever? If shops don't charge enough for their services, they can't pay mechanics what they are worth. Is it any wonder shops go out of business; they give too much away.
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Originally Posted by techsensei
$50 to build a wheel? That seems ridiculously cheap, IMO. That shop should raise their rate.
ExcelSports charged me $50 to build a pair of custom wheels - and then discounted me back $47. They don't have any 36° rims though.
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