Help! What kind of bike did I pick up with campagnolo dropouts?
08-13-09, 03:11 PM
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Help! What kind of bike did I pick up with campagnolo dropouts?
I recently picked up what I thought was an unmarked chrome steel frame (although it possible it was once painted) with built in lugs. Figured this was a cheap frame to refurbish, but now maybe i have something better on my hands. The bottom of the forks, the dropouts, and the bottom bracket were all poorly painted. I began removing the paint to discover some markings stamped into it.
Brev Campagnolo stamped into the rear dropout right side
On the bottom of the bottom bracket a captial "R" stamped in the center and "5100" on the side - I take it this is Reynolds steel series 5100.
My understanding is that campy did not make frames other than maybe demos or service course bikes. But there is no serial number...I am at a loss.
Hopefully there is an expert out there to shed some light...
I referenced this thread https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=329064 to get here.
Brev Campagnolo stamped into the rear dropout right side
On the bottom of the bottom bracket a captial "R" stamped in the center and "5100" on the side - I take it this is Reynolds steel series 5100.
My understanding is that campy did not make frames other than maybe demos or service course bikes. But there is no serial number...I am at a loss.
Hopefully there is an expert out there to shed some light...
I referenced this thread https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=329064 to get here.
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Any chance you could post a few pictures? That helps with ID more than anything else.
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Like in the post cited above, it just sounds like the frame has Campy dropouts.
I don't really know about the stamped bottom bracket, though.
What do you mean by "built-in lugs"?
A picture or two might help a lot more than a description.
I don't really know about the stamped bottom bracket, though.
What do you mean by "built-in lugs"?
A picture or two might help a lot more than a description.
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The picasa picture is helpful, but being able to see more than just the bottom bracket will help a lot.
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and by built in lugs, i just meant its lugged
the more I read the more "5100" maybe the serial number, despite being just 4 digits. Google searching is not proving helpful.
the more I read the more "5100" maybe the serial number, despite being just 4 digits. Google searching is not proving helpful.
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i just started working on this and am waiting for a QBP order to arrive. i'm just hoping to decipher what i've picked up.
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08-13-09, 04:19 PM
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What size (diameter) seatpost does it take? It looks very much like a pre-1960 Cinelli Super Corsa to me... a seatpost size of 26.2mm would confirm this as well as headbadge holes in the head tube...
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Looks like another fixie moron abortion. Sad really.
Can't help with frame ID. Nice lugwork, nice fork. Fork seems Italian, and (although I doubt it since the Serial number wasn't likewise filled) if you strip the fork crown you may find some bondo filling in the frame maker ID. DeRosa, Cinelli??? who knows.
Post some pics of the rear dropout. That may help a bit aging the frame.
Can't help with frame ID. Nice lugwork, nice fork. Fork seems Italian, and (although I doubt it since the Serial number wasn't likewise filled) if you strip the fork crown you may find some bondo filling in the frame maker ID. DeRosa, Cinelli??? who knows.
Post some pics of the rear dropout. That may help a bit aging the frame.
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My guess would be a chrome windsor. They were close replicas of the cinellis, but without the careful assembly and finish work. I'm guessing also that the fork is not original to the bike...
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It certainly impresses as a '70s or earlier pretty darn good Italian road frame. Campagnolo did not make frames, they made dropouts and fork ends. The R5100 has nothing to do with Reynolds, but what it does mean is anyone's guess. There is no tubing sticker, so it's not possible to tell for sure what its made of on obvious indicators. It could Reynolds, Columbus, Falck, Oria, or a designers mix of those. This is one of the problems when the original finishings don't get preserved, or at least recorded. Even knowing that there was no tubing sticker would be information, because it usually signified a mixed tube set.
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The oil port on the bb and really slack angles point to it being a fairly old frame... do you have a full on drive side shot ?
08-13-09, 05:38 PM
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Not a Windsor, looks like a late 50's or very early Cinelli SC although the 60's ones had a GF BB with a drain hole usually...
Chrome is surprisingly good, was it painted when you got it?
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Chrome is surprisingly good, was it painted when you got it?
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08-13-09, 05:40 PM
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Looks like another fixie moron abortion. Sad really.
Can't help with frame ID. Nice lugwork, nice fork. Fork seems Italian, and (although I doubt it since the Serial number wasn't likewise filled) if you strip the fork crown you may find some bondo filling in the frame maker ID. DeRosa, Cinelli??? who knows.
Post some pics of the rear dropout. That may help a bit aging the frame.
Can't help with frame ID. Nice lugwork, nice fork. Fork seems Italian, and (although I doubt it since the Serial number wasn't likewise filled) if you strip the fork crown you may find some bondo filling in the frame maker ID. DeRosa, Cinelli??? who knows.
Post some pics of the rear dropout. That may help a bit aging the frame.
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08-13-09, 05:52 PM
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The GF shells are stamped like this + GF + and it looks like there is a + just below your serial number. The shell comes stamped from Fischer and the builder stamps their # after building and then it is possible that the + GF was polished out before plating leaving just the +.
Cinelli also had a fairly rare, although lower tier, bike called the Riviera that were made at a contract builder and were for export. I thought that maybe the "R" could be for that but I don't think I have seen a Riviera with the typical Cinelli seat cluster or that fork. I still think it is an early SC.
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Cinelli also had a fairly rare, although lower tier, bike called the Riviera that were made at a contract builder and were for export. I thought that maybe the "R" could be for that but I don't think I have seen a Riviera with the typical Cinelli seat cluster or that fork. I still think it is an early SC.
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The seat cluster is classic Cinelli. Is the BB Italian thread? Can we see the dropouts?
